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Offline festus

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2002, 09:43:12 PM »
LOL immominate, I not so backwoods. Your implication of my ingroance is okay.  I am ignorant.  You have to be somewhat ignorant to have faith (by definition). I don't consider your lack of faith, a reason to condem your intelligence, however.  God made us in his image and provided us with freewill.  You choose to believe what you will and I'll believe what I will.  I have no need to prove anything to any one, except myself.  And I have come to my own scientific conclusion, based on what knowledge I have.  How many times has science been wrong.  I don't base my life on faulty science.:)

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2002, 09:55:38 PM »
Mr. Fish not everything is in the Bible.  That for which is important for salvation is present.  Many things not in the Bible has been handed down through out the ages.  Take some time to read the early chruch fathers (those closest to Jesus).  However, limbo doesn't impact wether heaven is achieved or not.  Just like evolution, whether true or not doesn't change the fact that I believe in God and the eternal repose of my soul.  I will not presume to know or judge anyone elses disposition.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2002, 10:40:28 PM »
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You gotta be kidding me!

Clapton, Winwood and Baker? Worst? NOTHING BETTER!

Sheesh.
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2002, 01:06:10 AM »
it probably takes less the 100 years to create a new breed of dog...literally taken, the laws MOses brought down for Mt. Sinai say that if your child is disobediant, you should kill it

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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2002, 01:27:02 AM »
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If you're saying it didn't happen, the burden of proof is on you.


Hehe yet when it's the theory of evolution the burden of proof is on science.... go figure. :D

Anyway I have a question about Noah's Ark - it's a one word question:

Plants?
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2002, 02:38:37 AM »
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When making fantastic claims that are demonstrably impossible the claimant has the burden of providing fantastic evidence that it is correct..


Hmm, yes, so what does that statement tell us about the "life generated spontaneously from the primordeal soup"-theory? I have yet to see any fantastic evidence of that actually...

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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2002, 03:14:05 AM »
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Hehe yet when it's the theory of evolution the burden of proof is on science.... go figure. :D

Anyway I have a question about Noah's Ark - it's a one word question:

Plants?


Seeds perhaps? under the soil maybe?

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2002, 06:06:00 AM »
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How many times has science been wrong.  I don't base my life on faulty science.:)


The difference between science and religion is that science is frequently wrong(and proving a hypothesis wrong is often just as important as proving one right), and that religion is never wrong, even with indisputable facts to that effect.

Religion says "That isn't right, therefore it must have been magic.".
Science says "That isn't right, now we need to figure out what is."

As for free will, while we have free will, if god is truely ominscient, he knows what we will do with it.  When he creates someone he knows every path they'll follow for thier entire lives.  It's logically impossible for an ominiscient, omnipotent god to NOT know.  In order for god NOT to know, he needs to be fallible.

So either god must be fallible, or god creates people knowing that they will end up however they end up.  When he creates someone who ends up going to hell, he would have known it before he even created them.

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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2002, 06:20:06 AM »
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Then again, people are stupid, and people are weak, and religion helps with both problems, so any arguing is pointless. (One of the things that really pisses off many athiests I think, is that so many of these people would argue that red and blue are the same color if the bible said so)


Here we go again... this thread, like many others here lately, was started by a nonbeliever to poke fun at believers- so who is generating the "pointless" arguments? At best it would appear to be people who feel the need to display their intellectual superiority by "hitting" on those they perceive to be intellectually weaker- a form of mental "bullying". So tell me... what do you think of the intellect of your typical bully? ;)

And while you're at it, list all the Christians on the board who are making fun of agnostics and atheists. ;)

Face it, for a group of people that don't want to discuss religion, you sure spend a lot of your time doing it. It isn't the Jehova's Witnesses making you do it- you're doing it all-by-your-selves.

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2002, 09:51:43 AM »
He he, we seem to be getting off the original subject.  Don't get me wrong I don't mind discussing other topics.

Innominate, did I ever mention religion?  Some jump to conclusions.  Of course religion can be wrong.  I never said otherwise.  Religion and belief are not the same.  For some, empirical science is a religion. Religion stems from a set of beliefs.  Jesus didn't start a religion, he started the Church. I dare not say there will be no protestants, catholics, jews, ect. in heaven.  I'm not their judge. All I know is what I know, and I try to live by my own priciples.

As far as freewill, think of these things in different ways. I think that God must be a merciful God.  This day is full of evil. What keeps Gods justice from destroying us. The mercy of God, that says alot when the Creator would hold  back His just wrath, so that as many as possible could be saved.

There are more ways to look at a situation that just one.

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2002, 10:16:16 AM »
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the laws MOses brought down for Mt. Sinai say that if your child is disobediant, you should kill it


any parent not been tempted? ;)
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2002, 10:29:35 AM »
Myths usually have their basis in an actual event.  The "flood myth" in which a righteous man builds a boat and saves himself, his family, and fauna of the world is found in cultures all over the world.  Ancient writers tended to exaggerate the actual event.  

By the way, if you read the book of Genesis a little more closely, you will notice that it does NOT say that the earth was covered with rainwater.  It says that the "fountains of the deep" were opened.  That indicates that something caused the waters of the ocean to drown the dry land.  A great earthquake could cause this, or a meteor strike, or any one of a number of natural phenomenon.  A meteor strike, by the way, would also fill the atmosphere with water vapor, setting off torrential rains.  

Scientists now think that the "flood myth" may have had its origins in the sudden, disastrous flooding  of the Black Sea basin that occurred when the barrier between it and the Mediterranean gave way.

By the way, let's refrain from calling our ancestors "stupid" for believing in myths.  It shows a profound lack of respect for who we are and where we came from.  By showing respect we also teach it, forestalling the day when our descendants refer to us as "stupid."

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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2002, 10:30:05 AM »
LOL AKIron

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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2002, 10:34:49 AM »
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any parent not been tempted? ;)


I have 4, wish I'd known about this little loophole!!!!

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2002, 10:49:28 AM »
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Myths usually have their basis in an actual event.  The "flood myth" in which a righteous man builds a boat and saves himself, his family, and fauna of the world is found in cultures all over the world.  Ancient writers tended to exaggerate the actual event.  

By the way, if you read the book of Genesis a little more closely, you will notice that it does NOT say that the earth was covered with rainwater.  It says that the "fountains of the deep" were opened.  That indicates that something caused the waters of the ocean to drown the dry land.  A great earthquake could cause this, or a meteor strike, or any one of a number of natural phenomenon.  A meteor strike, by the way, would also fill the atmosphere with water vapor, setting off torrential rains.  

Scientists now think that the "flood myth" may have had its origins in the sudden, disastrous flooding  of the Black Sea basin that occurred when the barrier between it and the Mediterranean gave way.

By the way, let's refrain from calling our ancestors "stupid" for believing in myths.  It shows a profound lack of respect for who we are and where we came from.  By showing respect we also teach it, forestalling the day when our descendants refer to us as "stupid."

Regards, Shuckins


The first inteligent evolutionist in this thread! (no offense to others, & forgive me if I missed any post before this that was simi open minded)
Thank you shuckins, now maybe we can have an inteligent conversation :)

True, in allmost every civilization there are tells of a great flood, But I allways looked at this as actuelly prooving the bible, when noahs family split up, they carried their beleifs with them, but of course some people branched off, and created whole new religions, wich did evolved over time, but most likely borrowed from their orriginal religion. Of course at the time there was no such thing as religion really, I think they looked at it more as history, since there were no other religions of the time.

The comet hitting the earth and allowing for it to rain is actuelly a very good theory, and I wouldnt be surprised if this is how God made the flood.   People tend to think of God as some king in the clouds pointing his rod at earth magically making things happen..
Thats not how it works :)

Oh and I just wanted to point out somthing I heard in another thread, someone said ALL religions evolve over time, and this is what I thought too even with christianity, but come to find out a modern bible was compared with the writings of the bible 2000 years ago, and they were exactly identicle! Nothing had changed!