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Offline gatso

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2002, 07:21:19 PM »
I like the basic idea.

Something based like what Innom said.

base it on ENY and for your kill only, nothing to do with what kills you.

You fly an la5 and kill a spit IX, 40ENY kills 10ENY, ENY ratio of 4.
You fly a Yak9U and kill a spit I, 30ENY kills 60ENY, ENY ratio of 0.5
You fly a Spit IX and kill a Spit IX, 10ENY kills 10ENY, ENY ratio of 1

etc etc etc. Just average the ENY ratio of every single kill you get and the result becomes your average ENY ratio rating. A rating of 1 would be the average. Higher than 1 would be better, lower would be worse.

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[edit] Forgot to mention. Keep all the existing categories too. Except maybe points. or give it a lower weighting when working out final rank.[/edit]
« Last Edit: December 08, 2002, 07:24:52 PM by gatso »

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2002, 08:20:36 PM »
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Catches the ball on a slant pattern from Urchin and runs with it...

First, K/D, K/S and K/T are valid score points..

Second, hit percentage is "iffy" at best, I mean, what difference does it make ???

Third, "points" are worthless and pretty much just show your time on line. If you fly until your skin is pasty that gives you some sort of rank ??


Ok, I agree and disagree here.  K/D, K/S, and K/T are all valid scoring points, yes.  Hit percentage is ALSO a valid scoring point, in my opinion.  Remember, these categories mean nothing on their own, only in comparison with other people.  And I know that rank doesn't really show how good someone is, but it would be nice if it did.  So take someone thats average in everthing, then take someone thats average in everything but is a crack shot- I think he should be ranked a little higher.  Thats why I feel it is a valid scoring area.  Also, 'points' isn't really a worthless category- it does serve a purpose.  I'll comment on it below though.

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So..

Why not convert "points" to give you an average ENY value. Any kills register the planes ENY that you flew and is added as a "points" score. Get all your kills in a "40" plane, your points are 40. Get all your kills in a "20" plane, your points are 20. Wouldn't be dependent on sorties flown, and averages would be automatic on flying different planes. 400 sorties in a "20" ENY plane are still just "20"

Hit percentage is pretty much worthless so subsitute landing percentage in that slot. That would be taken from total fighter sorties flown. Fly 10 and land, 100 is your score, fly 200 and land 50, 25 is your score. How that would work as a multipler is the subject of more beers.

In that way, the plane you fly counts, landing sorties counts and you have a better score system more reflective of the difficulty involved.

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Points is kind of a 'catch all' category.  Does flying more (as long as you get kills in proportion) lead to more points?  Sure it does.  Although, in my opinion, that is valid.  Take a pilot that has a K/D of 5, a K/S of 5, and a K/T of 5.  Now take a pilot with a K/D of 5, a K/S of 5, and a K/T of 5.  So, this pilots should have the same rank, right?  No (in my opinion).  The first pilot had 1 good sortie, the second pilot has 200 kills.  In my experience it is much tougher to maintain good 'stats' over an extended period than it is to have one good sortie and call it a month.  So, how can you tell these pilots apart?  The only way is to compare 'points'.  The pilot with 200 kills will have more points, and therefore will (and should, in my opinion), have a higher rank.

The 'points' category also takes landing your sorties into account.  Assuming the plane type has no impact (and I don't believe it does), a pilot who kills 5 guys and lands will have the same amount of 'points' that a pilot who kills 20 guys but dies does.  That is why I don't think there needs to be a seperate category for 'landing'- it is already taken into account in both K/D and points.

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It would require a sortie a day is needed to qualify. 23rd day of the tour requires 23 sorties to be scored.

It's so easy, just should have asked me :D

Laterals to Urchin at the 35.... [/B]


I disagree here, I think everyone should be counted, no matter how many sorties you have.  Again, the points category we have now ensures that even if you have 1 really killer sortie, you won't end up with the #1 fighter rank unless you can repeat the performance.  The 'points' category is an equalizer both ways, in my opinion.   Hitech and Company really designed a very elegant scoring system, in my opinion.  The only thing I wished it took into account is the plane.  Because, in my opinion, the plane plays a fairly large role in the 'plane and pilot' equation.  It isn't all of it, but it does play a sizable role and should be accounted for.

I just think the 'easiest' way to implement it would be to include it in the points category, since it really wouldn't have a factor in any other category.  I think a pilot that has a K/D of 5, a K/S of 3, and a K/T of 8 in a C.202 is more impressive than a pilot who has a K/D of 10, a K/S of 5, and a K/T of 10 in an La-7.  

Some folks don't agree with me, I can understand that.  I do enjoy a good discussion though, and I really think this would both give 'low-time' pilots a way to compete in the 'points' category (where being 'low-time' hurts the most) and give some of the less-used planes a wider audience.

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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2002, 08:37:01 PM »
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The 'points' category also takes landing your sorties into account. Assuming the plane type has no impact (and I don't believe it does),
Going off on a tangent here. I think it does. Well maybe not the aircraft but the guns you take certainly do.

Using me as an example because I know my stats the best, I tend to use very short bursts to take wingtips off or high deflection snapshots. Even when vulching I don't open fire till 300 and use very short bursts. My points are relativily low because I don't fill every kill full of bullets. Probably also the reason I have quite a few assists.

I noticed one guy who had waaay less kills but his points were higher, he was flying 262s. From this i sort of guess that it works on a 'damage inflicted' scale and the more lead you fill your target with and the higher the calibre guns the more points you get.

I might be wrong but I can't think of anything else that would back up the stats i've seen.

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2002, 09:43:40 PM »
Well had dinner have a fresh beer..

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take someone thats average in everything but is a crack shot- I think he should be ranked a little higher


You can't convince me of that. If indeed the pilot is a crack shot that will be reflected in his K/S and K/T. Being a crack shot without an increase in those catagories doesn't compute. While being nice to know ( I moniter it ) I think as a "ranking" value it's kinda silly.

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In my experience it is much tougher to maintain good 'stats' over an extended period than it is to have one good sortie


We agree here, hence the requirement of sorties per day. Sorties per day does not penalize the casual flyer. I picked one because that was hashed out in another place. For me two sorties a day is fine. Were a low minimum allows the casual flyer into the formula it DOES NOT benifit the high sortie flyer. Two sorties a day is sixty sorties a tour. Sixty eliminates "lucky" sorties, hell thirty does for me and most folks :D With that you eliminate the unfair points for time on line. Time online should in no way affect score period. Having a minimum eliminates havin 10 killer sorties and resting on the laurels. On day 11 if your not up, your out.

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the plane plays a fairly large role in the 'plane and pilot' equation. It isn't all of it, but it does play a sizable role and should be accounted for


That's the crux, I agree 100%. Intergrating that will take more talking....and more beer :D

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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2002, 10:02:00 PM »
Here's the formula for points that I would reccomend:

(Victoms K/D) x (Enemies plane type K/D squared) X (Number of seconds since enemy spawned {100 second max}) /
(Your plane's K/D squared )

Here's why:

* Victoms K/D *
This shows how often the victom dies. It's a better indicator of how hard he is to kill than rank.
* Kill Fester and earn 25 times as many points as you would by killing Joe Average 1:1 K/D.
* Kill Joe Newbie (with a 0.01 K/D) and earn 1% as many points as you would by killing Joe Average 1:1 K/D.

* Enemies plane type K/D squared *
This shows how often the victom's plane type dies. Based on the aircrafts Overall MA K/D SQUARED. (If this were the case: 109F-4 = 100%, LA-7 = 144%, P-40B = 0.09 %, ME-262 = 4330 %)

* Number of seconds since enemy spawned {100 second max} *
This would give less credit to vulches. Kill a guy 5 sec after he spawns, get 5% of the points as you would have had he upped 1 min. 40 sec. or longer. Every time you kill someone who spawned more than 100 seconds ago, you get 100% of your earned points.

* Your plane's K/D squared *
You should get more credit for killing someone when your flying a turd VS. flying an ubber ride.
This would promote players to fly the lame ducks, and not spend so much time in the ubber planes.

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« Last Edit: December 08, 2002, 10:44:14 PM by eskimo2 »

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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2002, 10:22:41 PM »
Here are my stats from Tour 28 that illustrate Urchin's point on why points are necessary;
 
 Fighter (Rank)
 vs. Enemies Kills / Deaths + 1
 8.0000 (6)

 Kills / Sorties
 8.0000 (1)

 Kills / Hour
 60.12 (1)

 Hit percentage
 19.75 % (20)

 Points
 3618.5113 (1665)
 
Time hh:mm:ss 00:07:58
Rank (fighter)150

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I've been doing the majority of my flying in that CT for the past year.  During Tour 28, I only flew in the MA for a total of just under 20 minutes, and did 1 of each type of sortie, all in 1 session.  
Obvoiusly these stats represent a vulch sortie in fighter mode.  No way should an 8 minute sortie put you in the top 100 fighters, no matter how good it is.  Like Urchin said, points are the only means of weeding out a single good vulch sortie from those who suceed again and again.

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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2002, 10:43:24 PM »
Oops,

Hit Quote instead of Edit...

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2002, 12:22:57 AM »
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Plus many of us dont just fly P51's on squad nights, we fly it for the luxury of the cadillac.


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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2002, 12:28:50 AM »
head hurt....  big ideas...

make the score monkeys go away!!
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2002, 12:32:43 AM »
I like that Idea, Allso why not have somethin like this in the CT? why should MA'rs get all the money?

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2002, 01:05:42 AM »
CT?  What is this thing you people call "CT"?

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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2002, 02:17:29 AM »
i would like if the ranking system heavily benefited those who flew the lesser used fighters bombers and vehicles.

the current contest clearly shows the problem with the scoring system is it dosnt acount for plane/vehicle type.
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2002, 07:52:35 AM »
Good suggestions. Anything that takes plane type into account.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2002, 09:49:30 AM »
My understanding is the ENY values skirt the subjective "which plane is more uber" issue by simply being a mechanism for evening out plane usage.

A plane is given a lower ENY value or requires perks not because it is "better" than another plane, but because of the potential imbalance that exists wrt to usage of that plane in the MA.

Factoring plane type into score *would* force subjective ranking of each planes relative worth and would be the subject of endless ranting in this forum.

I prefer a score weighting based on the rank of the players you kill in that category, but even that is mostly a luck factor since the good players are rarely bested - rather they knowingly put themselves into a jam and some lucky shmoe gets to capitalize on it.

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2002, 10:15:53 AM »
good idea

but I'd be happy if it were just listed - top pilots of each tour by plane

the way Deja used to do it
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