Just an idea for Fighter score.

[Urchin]

I think it would be a really good idea if what kind of fighter you flew counted for your score.  The only obvious way (to me, anyway) is to make higher ENY planes get more 'points' for killing a lower ENY plane, just like they get perk points.  

I'm reasonably sure the type of plane you fly doesn't matter when it comes to getting kills, but with the new contest it might be one way to get people into the higher ENY rides.  

Right now there really isn't a good reason to fly one, unless you happen to like them.  Since people naturally want to 'min-max' (minimize disadvantages while maximizing advantages), this could potentially draw some people into less 'worthy' planes.  If flying a high ENY plane like say the La5 could potentially get you 4 times as many 'points' as flying an La7, I think you'd see some people switch to the La5.

Anyway, this isnt an original idea, just one that I saw earlier and thought I'd post again since the new contest has put so much emphasis on 'rank'.

[Saurdaukar]

I like it - good idea Urchin.

But... just so I can fit in with everyone else...

YOU SUCK!!!  STUPID IDEA!!!  YOU SHOULD BE SHOT - CRAWL BACK INTO YOUR HOLE!!!  THIS WAS A DUMB bellybutton IDEA THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT!!!!

Ok - yeah, great idea - something HTC should look into - give people a REASON to fly low ENY aircraft.  

[Vulcan]

I like my idea better...

Have a ratio of flying time vs lines on ch#1 rated against your score as well


But yeah, the new contest promotes people flying 'uber' planes only, hell I've been considering doing some La7 time myself.

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Vulcan
I like my idea better...

Have a ratio of flying time vs lines on ch#1 rated against your score as well

Then what the hell is Shane gonna do?

[WldThing]

So those that are in 51 Squads, are at a huge disadvantage?

Hmm Dont like it.

[Urchin]

You guys are free to fly whatever you want.  I thought you only flew the P-51 on squad nights.  

Besides, the ENY of the P-51B is 35.  That'd be 3 times as many points as you'd get in a P-51D.

I don't even really think of it as a disadvantage.  Rather, I look at it as a way for people that don't fly as often to build up enough 'points' in that category to compete with people who do fly a lot, and fly Low ENY planes.  

Right now, there is no reason (absolutely none, if you are a 'score potato') to fly a plane with an ENY of less than 21.  I say 21 because thats the 109G-10s ENY and it is pretty 'uber' in my opinion.  All this would do is give people a reason to fly high ENY planes, and give some lower time people the ability to compete in the 'points' category of Fighter score.

[WldThing]

Originally posted by Urchin
You guys are free to fly whatever you want.  I thought you only flew the P-51 on squad nights.  

Besides, the ENY of the P-51B is 35.  That'd be 3 times as many points as you'd get in a P-51D.

Well yeah, but you have to look at the power of the guns, and the ammo load for each plane.. Monsters like some of the LW that have 550 cannons (A5) would eat up most of the mustangs, and their ENY is above 21....  So to "even" it out some of us fly D's.

Plus many of us dont just fly P51's on squad nights, we fly it for the luxury of the cadillac.

[Karnak]

Urchin,

It is an interesting idea, but as WildThing has indirectly pointed out it is very, very subjective.

Online sim players can never, and I mean never, agree on a subject.  You'd think aircraft introduction dates would be relatively simple, but the RPS in WarBirds caused nothing but constant contention.  You'd have Allied flyers saying X Allied fighter should start on such and such time, but Y Axis fighter is starting too early and the Axis flyers would be doing exactly the opposite.

It seems that in this hobby everything is contentious.

[Urchin]

But what don't you like about it?  Just the fact that a pilot in a 190A5 (for instance) would get more points fork killing a P-51D than a P-51D would get for killing a 190A5?

I think that makes it more 'fair', seeing as the P-51D is a more capable plane, making it easier to kill planes and land those kills.

Some planes really are hard up, because they can't even generate perk points quickly, in spite of their really high ENY values.  The 109E4, Spitfire I, and C202 all come to mind there.  You could get more perk points in a P-51D than you can in one of those planes, simply because it is a LOT harder to get kills in those.  Seems to me with the emphasis on scoring now, there should be some advantage to flying something other than the typical 4 planes.

[Urchin]

Oh, I know it won't make everyone happy, I was just posting it to see what people thought of it.  

I'm fairly sure that most of the people that will respond 'nay' will be the ones that fly low-ENY planes anyway.  What I haven't figured out is why they would object, unless they don't want people that fly high ENY planes to be able to compete, scorewise.

[WldThing]

Originally posted by Urchin
I'm fairly sure that most of the people that will respond 'nay' will be the ones that fly low-ENY planes anyway.

I dont see what your trying to say...

Now are you suggesting since i fly a low-ENY plane i shouldnt be much of a challenge to a person that flies a high-ENY plane?

[Urchin]

No, that wasn't what I was saying at all.  

All I was saying was what I said, namely that I expect most of the people that wouldn't like the idea would be people who fly low-ENY planes.

[WldThing]

I enjoy what i fly.. And that wont Change.

I respect your idea, i just dont agree with idea...
My 2 cents.. Thats all.

[Innominate]

What is needed is an additional stat called perk-ratio, which is similar to k/d but is instead perks earned vs perks given.(Leaving out the end-of-sortie multiplier)

i.e. You fly a 40 eny plane, and kill 10 n1k2s(10eny), and then get killed 10 times by a nik2.  
You earned a total of 40 perks, and gave the n1k2 2.5 perks, making your "perk-ratio" 16 to 1, and the n1k2's 0.06.

It makes for a huge gap, and would be a stat difficult to raise by flying the extremly low ENY planes.

[poopster]

Catches the ball on a slant pattern from Urchin and runs with it...

First, K/D, K/S and K/T are valid score points..

Second, hit percentage is "iffy" at best, I mean, what difference does it make ???

Third, "points" are worthless and pretty much just show your time on line. If you fly until your skin is pasty that gives you some sort of rank ??

So..

Why not convert "points" to give you an average ENY value. Any kills register the planes ENY that you flew and is added as a "points" score. Get all your kills in a "40" plane, your points are 40. Get all your kills in a "20" plane, your points are 20. Wouldn't be dependent on sorties flown, and averages would be automatic on flying different planes. 400 sorties in a "20" ENY plane are still just "20"

Hit percentage is pretty much worthless so subsitute landing percentage in that slot. That would be taken from total fighter sorties flown. Fly 10 and land, 100 is your score, fly 200 and land 50, 25 is your score. How that would work as a multipler is the subject of more beers.

It would require a sortie a day is needed to qualify. 23rd day of the tour requires 23 sorties to be scored.

In that way, the plane you fly counts, landing sorties counts and you have a better score system more reflective of the difficulty involved.

It's so easy, just should have asked me

Laterals to Urchin at the 35....