Author Topic: Do ET's exist? (Read 2148 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #45 on:** December 09, 2002, 01:41:48 PM »

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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
A statement commonly used by atheists to throw doubt on the existence of God. He doesn't take an active role in our lives therefore he does not exist.

On the other hand, God may be a Gentleman, and is too polite to interfere in our lives. As an atheist, you don't want Him telling you what you can and cannot do anyway. The Ten Commandments may be His attempt to help us keep from screwing up our lives.

He had no problem destroying several cities in biblical times.... what's stopping him now?

Did he make himself morals?

Hell, he talked to a helluva lotta people in biblical times... now who does he talk to?

The crazies on the streetcorners?
-SW

boxboy28 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 09, 2002, 01:44:03 PM »

Like i said in my other post earlier in this thread they are here, theres too many people from too many different cultures, places, and yatta yatta yatta that report the same things - some rural living people with no TV or none reading(illiterate) people who all report the same things. Even in the bible and other biblical type sources they tell of seeing these same things. Look back at the native americans and the Incan's the Mayan's the Nazca lines.

Personaly in my opinion were are the fruit flies in there experiment and they have "test sample" people they keep track of.(atleast the greys,like i said there is more than 1 race of beings)

There are goverments who ecknowledge the presents of these other beings. (in europe)

There is prof. you just have to wade thru the BS to get the the solid evidance.

Ok Now that im the only crack pot to stand up and say Yes i believe there are here i most graciously accept the flames that shall follow!:D

If you believe in god but dont beleive in them you better think twice about your god he might be a short lil grey diddlyer!
After all that there is more prof they exsist then there is that God does!

Box;)
PS i really am curious where all the pilots (military or not) are on this ? do they fear being called crazy? I know more have seen toejam that wont say a thing about it!

My brother for one is an Air force pilot and now flies for United - Hes told me he's seen toejam! STRANGE toejam TOO and this is comming from a guy who graduated HS 1st in his class and the Air force academy 4th in his class! You tell me .........

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #47 on:** December 09, 2002, 01:59:14 PM »

The inevitable arrival of the religious prompts another question:

Have any of you considered that religion is man's attempt to explain an ET visit thousands of years ago?

Strange beings from the sky...

Arriving on "chariots of fire..."

Supernatural powers...

They told us to follow these rules...

They will be back someday...

If we're naughty people, they wont take us back with them to "Heaven..."

Theres alot of weight to this theory IMO - some really good books written on it.

krazyhorse · « **Reply #48 on:** December 09, 2002, 02:17:05 PM »

the Navajo's have talked of the ancient ones with whom communicated with the(others) through the portals in the desert, there are places today they will not go . they know. yes they do exist.

Reschke · « **Reply #49 on:** December 09, 2002, 02:19:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Exactly what I meant!

Idea for a sci-fi novel: different alien races contact with different nations that are "culturally" closer to them, maybe Russians, Arabs, Chineese, Americans and Germans. Or just "europeans", "chineese" and "moslims" - this will be even better.

Boroda now you sound like something from the Stargate television series. Personally I think they could exist but I don't discount the fact that we have no hard evidence. They could have come here and gone many times over but I really am not sure. My grandmom still believes the Blackhawk helicopters and Apache's that have flown out of Ft. Rucker, AL running attack simulations around her home were UFO's. Even when she watched one fly right over her house while I was cutting the grass one day.

Apache · « **Reply #50 on:** December 09, 2002, 02:27:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
The inevitable arrival of the religious prompts another question:

Have any of you considered that religion is man's attempt to explain an ET visit thousands of years ago?

Strange beings from the sky...

Arriving on "chariots of fire..."

Supernatural powers...

They told us to follow these rules...

They will be back someday...

If we're naughty people, they wont take us back with them to "Heaven..."

Theres alot of weight to this theory IMO - some really good books written on it.

Eagler · « **Reply #51 on:** December 09, 2002, 02:28:18 PM »

we are the aliens attempt at cloning and abortion

cajun · « **Reply #52 on:** December 09, 2002, 02:35:05 PM »

I seriously doubt life does exist, at least intelligent.

But if if it did, what makes us think they may be using radio waves to commaunicate, and noises like humans do?
Who says they are even in a living form, or have eyes or mouths? Muchless communicate verbally?? Maybe they are invisible? Maybe they are 1000times more advanced than us, but are a billions of times smaller that we could never see?

My point is, we cant think different, we make so many assumptions its unbeleivable,
For example, In america we assume Ham Burgers are boneless, but in europe (at least in croatia anyway) when u order a hamburger from mcdonalds its got bones!

We search for what we have in our mind as alliens, and that I very very very very seriously doubt exists.

SunKing · « **Reply #53 on:** December 09, 2002, 02:44:59 PM »

all I gotta say..

I have an Uncle who is a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the Air Force. Whenever I ask him about "Area 51" and other oddities, he gets really upset and changes the subject abruptly.

miko2d · « **Reply #54 on:** December 09, 2002, 02:57:06 PM »

cajun: But if if it did, what makes us think they may be using radio waves to commaunicate, and noises like humans do?
Who says they are even in a living form, or have eyes or mouths? Muchless communicate verbally?? Maybe they are invisible? Maybe they are 1000times more advanced than us, but are a billions of times smaller that we could never see?

Of course they would. If they are Created by God in his image, they would be very similar to us.
If they evolve - they will operate on the same principals being in the universe with the same physical and chemical laws.

They will be in contact with things, able to feel local pressure so the sense of touch will be evolved early in the evolution in any multicellular organism of certain complexity.

They will contact solid things, so they will have provisions to analyse their chemical content - hence the sense of taste. A living form does not so much evolve ability to perceive chemical content as it is originally posessing it and evolves ability to isolate itself from the environment. An amoeba has no choice but to "taste" environment.

If existing in a gas athmosphere it will develop, or rather retain teh ability to feel chemical composition, hence taste of smell. It is highly unlikely for intelligence to develop underwater because the fire is impossible there.

Radiated electromagnetic energy is present on any planet where conditions for life above primitive level exist - hence it will have eyesight.

Sense of touch and sound are closely related. So they will have hearing and because of that will develop ability to use sounds. Sounds are easy to produce, do not require line-of-sight, basically extremely usefull not to evolve the use for them.

So touch, taste, smell, hearing and sight. If they have any other nice sense like electrical sensitivity like some of our fish, not a big deal.
Most of nifty organs earth life has evolved multiple times - like various types of eyes evolved at least forty times independently.

There are only so many basic principles you can base life on.

As for ET - in order for us to hear their radio signal, it should be comparable in power to a star. Why would they ever bother to undertake such a project if a recepient would receive the message, let alone reply to it in thousands of years?

miko

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #55 on:** December 09, 2002, 03:06:50 PM »

AKS\/\/ulfe,

Sodom and Gomorrha are the only two cities mentioned specifically in the Bible as being destroyed by an act of God. Their societies were destroyed because of their depravity. Think of their destruction as an attempt to destroy a cancer before it spread.

Or, think of it this way. Ancient people tended to see the hand of God in every natural disaster. If He destroyed a city or Pharaoh's army it was because they had aroused His anger by unGodly actions...or, at least, that's how these ancient people saw it.

Personally, I believe that the understanding of God and his purpose is an ongoing thing, evolving (no cracks please) as the ages have gone by, ultimately reaching perfection in the teachings of Jesus Christ, who preached love, tolerance, and service to one's fellow man. A very worthwhile philosophy, despite any criticisms to the contrary.

Shuckins

Apache · « **Reply #56 on:** December 09, 2002, 03:09:08 PM »

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Originally posted by boxboy28
Like i said in my other post earlier in this thread they are here, theres too many people from too many different cultures, places, and yatta yatta yatta that report the same things - some rural living people with no TV or none reading(illiterate) people who all report the same things. Even in the bible and other biblical type sources they tell of seeing these same things. Look back at the native americans and the Incan's the Mayan's the Nazca lines.

Personaly in my opinion were are the fruit flies in there experiment and they have "test sample" people they keep track of.(atleast the greys,like i said there is more than 1 race of beings)

There are goverments who ecknowledge the presents of these other beings. (in europe)

There is prof. you just have to wade thru the BS to get the the solid evidance.

Ok Now that im the only crack pot to stand up and say Yes i believe there are here i most graciously accept the flames that shall follow!:D

If you believe in god but dont beleive in them you better think twice about your god he might be a short lil grey diddlyer!
After all that there is more prof they exsist then there is that God does!

Box;)
PS i really am curious where all the pilots (military or not) are on this ? do they fear being called crazy? I know more have seen toejam that wont say a thing about it!

My brother for one is an Air force pilot and now flies for United - Hes told me he's seen toejam! STRANGE toejam TOO and this is comming from a guy who graduated HS 1st in his class and the Air force academy 4th in his class! You tell me .........

Did they ram that implant too far up your nose? There's more proof that aliens exist than God?

Can't wait to see the list.

udet · « **Reply #57 on:** December 09, 2002, 03:15:45 PM »

I don't really believe in UFOs. I believe in extraterrestrial civilizations and that some have star travel capabilities, but that's it, I don't trust any reports of people seing lights in the sky, and everything captured on video or film is probably fake.
I read many books on the subject and finally realized it was all crap. So I gave up on it. Untill I see one, I remain a sceptic.

Eagler · « **Reply #58 on:** December 09, 2002, 03:22:20 PM »

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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
AKS\/\/ulfe,

Sodom and Gomorrha are the only two cities mentioned specifically in the Bible as being destroyed by an act of God. Their societies were destroyed because of their depravity. Think of their destruction as an attempt to destroy a cancer before it spread.

Shuckins
Didn't He do the global thingy with Noah & the ark?
Or was that a local issue?

I have to take some things in the Bible not literally but as a parable of types with a message for the masses.

miko2d · « **Reply #59 on:** December 09, 2002, 03:33:24 PM »

Continuing on my topic that the develpment of ET civilisation will parallel ours. They will most likely develop socialism and stagnate - their population being lazy and uninterested and not explanding. They will stay home.

If anyone takes off for the starts - practically forming another civilisation because they will never see each other again, those will be some religious nuts not interested in contacting anyone or even settling on a "used" planet.

miko