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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2002, 07:34:37 AM »
It's not a threat it's a pun.

if you're going to punish someone do it for the right reason.  however, IMO a pun (the worst form of 'humor') should have a stiffer punishment than threatening bush anyway.

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2002, 08:17:11 AM »
capt. apathy: It's not a threat it's a pun.

 "Somebody should pour some lighter fluid on the president and ignite him." - where is a pun in that? That's what he said - from what I've heard on the radio.


GRUNHERZ: Wow these guys really think Bush is like Hitler... Thats amazing!
bounder: Bush is a lot of things, but he's no Hitler, or even a contemporary analogue of Hitler.


 What's amasing is blindness of people who fail to realise that socialist policies promoted by well-meaning and smart people invariably lead to elimination of freedom and creation of a totalitarian state.
 Hitler did not create a totalitarian collectivist state with planned economy - it was gradually done over 70 preceding years.

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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2002, 08:17:32 AM »
weazel... don't get it?  are u saying that Bush had anything to do with the arrest?  You don't seriously think that he made up the law and/or the sentance?   It must be hell to carry so much hate for someone around in your head eh?   Worse part is... I don't think Bush even knows you exist.  
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2002, 08:23:59 AM »
what? - no silly picture weaz? :)
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2002, 09:52:13 AM »
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Wow these guys really think Bush is like Hitler...   Thats amazing! :D


Maybe you should add them to your signature Grun.

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2002, 10:19:28 AM »
And deminish your place of honor in my sig MT, never! :D

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2002, 10:23:12 AM »
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And deminish your place of honor in my sig MT, never! :D


Good. I don't like sharing.

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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2002, 11:03:45 AM »
seems like a stupid situation.  the law about threatening the president is a good one and an old one. but the inforcement of it in this case is retarded.

if someone says they would like to shoot, poison, or otherwise kill the president in a reasonably feasable way (especially if they are in an area where he is, or is expected to be.) then they should be dealt with, at the very least detained until he leaves the area.

but again this is stupid, do you really think this guy has even the remotest chance to "pour some lighter fluid on the president and ignite him"?  not likely.

it wasn't a threat it was a bad pun.  the guy makes the conection from the burning bush in the Bible, and burning gwBush.  it struck him as funny in his warped little punster mind, so he expanded on it with the lighterfluid remark.

PUN-ish him (sorry couldn't help it) for having a bad sense of humor. but a real honest to God threat on the president? get a grip
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2002, 12:27:55 PM »
I wouldn't think anyone would have a chance of pouring anything on anyone and lighting them up yet in July of 83, the night I moved to Tampa, a nutbag poured gas over several ppl in a grocery store and lit them up. Several died - other misfigured for life. THe nutbags name was Billy Ferry.

It's a threat. I could/would have someone arrested if they threatened me or mine in like manner. SHould Bush not do the same or those employed to protect him just because the chances of the threat coming true is less?
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2002, 12:33:36 PM »
Welcome to the real world, apathy - world driven by human motivation.

 That jerk could have joked all he wanted untill someone called the authorities. Now, according to the law there is a real case against him - even if he did not have a criminal intent.

 Who should decide to treat his act as a stupid joke? The person in charge does not lose anything by keeping him behind bars. But what happens if he is released and does something bad or just as stupid. As soon as that guy is caught again with some damning evidence - which may be as frivolous as this one - the career of the guy who released him is down the drain.

 So it's risking a career trusting the guy who is certainly proven stupid and for no apparent benefit. What would you do if your livelihood was on the line because of that wacko "prophet"?

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Uh-huh..this makes sense
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2002, 01:43:09 PM »
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I wouldn't think anyone would have a chance of pouring anything on anyone and lighting them up yet in July of 83, the night I moved to Tampa, a nutbag poured gas over several ppl in a grocery store and lit them up. Several died - other misfigured for life. THe nutbags name was Billy Ferry.

It's a threat. I could/would have someone arrested if they threatened me or mine in like manner. SHould Bush not do the same or those employed to protect him just because the chances of the threat coming true is less?



I guess those people in the grocery stote were surrounded by a toejampile of SS agents too?

As threats go it was pretty vague and he had about as much chance of carrying it out as I do to pilot the space shuttle.

Lazs, I'm glad that white trash doesn't know who I am, they might come after me for being a "threat" to chimpy since I like to point out how much of a swine he is.

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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2002, 01:46:50 PM »
maybe I'm unusual but I'd probably use some common sense.  tell the person who reported it that I'd 'look into it' then go talk to the guy and tell him to keep his stupid mouth shut before it gets his bellybutton in trouble.  then I'd go on with my day and stop wasting tax payers money.

and as far as if it was me and my family.  if I called the cops and reported someone saying something like this they'd tell me 'our hands are tied', 'he hasn't done anything yet, call us after he does', or 'sorry, krispy cream is having a sale' or some such thing.  you can bet your bellybutton nobody would even see handcuffs, let alone a cell if a simular threat was made against me or you

who needs to join the real world? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2002, 02:42:08 PM »
capt. apathy: maybe I'm unusual but I'd probably use some common sense.  tell the person who reported it that I'd 'look into it' then go talk to the guy and tell him to keep his stupid mouth shut before it gets his bellybutton in trouble.  then I'd go on with my day and stop wasting tax payers money.

 Common sense?  Here you don't even qualify your decision to release him with "and if I do not find reasons to be concerned" or something. Without knowing any details you have aready made the decision that you would let him go. You assume the that people who must have undoubtedly interrogated him at length were stupid and non-professional.

you can bet your bellybutton nobody would even see handcuffs, let alone a cell if a simular threat was made against me or you

 Have you ever heard of restraining order? They give those out pretty liberally. And if one violates such an order, to jail he goes promptly.


weazel: people in the grocery stote were surrounded by a toejampile of SS agents too?

 I am not sure that elite soldiers willing to give their lives to protect our chief executive somehow became a "shitpile" only because Clinton's term of office expired and "chimpy" got elected.

 Anyway, if a person is believed to have criminal intend towards the president, one can hardly rely on him being stupid and insisting on his original plan of pouring flamable liquid. What if he choses to use a rifle? Not much that those SS agents can do to prevent it in all cases.

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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2002, 02:52:31 PM »
Imagine if the guy latter shot Bush with a .50 cal and the secret service said... "yeah we knew who the guy was and that he had threatened the pres but.... we didn't think his original plan had much chance of success.".

I think poor ol weazle is so tied up in knots with his hate that he can't even view things with any perspective anymore...  comes from reading all the hateful (and witty) spewing on the lefty sites that he imerses himself in.... when the rest of us look at him like he is a paranoid nutcase he get's even more mad and trys even harder.   Now he hates Bush because he thinks it is bush who is making him look stupid and petty.
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« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2002, 03:32:24 PM »
First Ammendment not withstanding, there are a number of laws on the books that regard the mere act of threatening verbally or otherwise as a punishable crime.  In these cases, the threat itself is recognized to carry potentially serious consequences if ignored.  Thus, merely making the threat is considered a crime.  Once a year, for every one of my 20 years in the Air Force, I recieved training titled "Protection of the President" (note, that would predate our currently sitting president).  If I were in that bar and heard the statements this person was purported to have made, especially in light of the fact the Prez would be in the area, I would have no choice but to take it seriously and report it.  As pointed out, this is not the first time someone has been arrested and convicted for making threats against a President of the United States.

Another thing I was taught in the Air Force (and before that by my father) was that I would show respect for the Office of the President, regardless of who it was that sits there.  That doesn't mean I can't publically disagree with his policies (unless I was tasked with carrying out said policy), but I was to do it in a repectful and civil matter.

In an interesting asside, it was former President Clinton who actually created changes in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), making it a punishable offense (for those in the military) to publically ridicule or otherwise poke fun at the President.  Read what you want into that.
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