Author Topic: Tank question (Read 1300 times)

Pyro · « **on:** December 10, 2002, 04:53:10 PM »

Anybody know where I can find turret traversal rate for the Panzer IVH?

Pongo · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2002, 05:10:16 PM »

I can get it for you tonight I think.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2002, 05:32:59 PM »

I was wondering about that Oedipus... and the same thing about the Ostwind. Could they be operated without the engine on and what sacrifices were made as a result?

AKDejaVu

Mitsu · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2002, 07:20:08 PM »

Hmmm, I only know Tiger I's one...

SirLoin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2002, 07:33:32 PM »

Maximum traverse rate is 14 Degs/second according to my sources.

Mitsu · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2002, 07:55:47 PM »

dejav, I think the ostie's turret was powered by man power.
(but not sure, I must re-check my source later.)

oedipus's idea is great.

btw my another question is why AH doesn't simulate correct fire action in the ostwind.
AH's ostie can fire cannon like a full-auto gun, but actually it had 6-round cartridge clips (magazine).
it means ostie needs to change magazines when it fired 6-round.
I think Bofors 40mm cannon had the same system too (WWIIOL already simulated this action).

what about implementing it to AH?

thx.

Midnight · « **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2002, 08:02:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Mitsu
dejav, I think the ostie's turret was powered by man power.
(but not sure, I must re-check my source later.)

oedipus's idea is great.

btw my another question is why AH doesn't simulate correct fire action in the ostwind.
AH's ostie can fire cannon like a full-auto gun, but actually it had 6-round cartridge clips (magazine).
it means ostie needs to change magazines when it fired 6-round.
I think Bofors 40mm cannon had the same system too (WWIIOL already simulated this action).

what about implementing it to AH?

thx.

Would be nice if this was modeled.

I bet if it was, the Ostwind scourge would quickly end. If after every 6th shot, the gun had a 10 second or so delay (to simulate reloading) it would be much harder for the spray and pray types to kill stuff.

Mitsu · « **Reply #7 on:** December 10, 2002, 08:09:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
Would be nice if this was modeled.

I bet if it was, the Ostwind scourge would quickly end. If after every 6th shot, the gun had a 10 second or so delay (to simulate reloading) it would be much harder for the spray and pray types to kill stuff.

yes, if it's modelled, the ostie would be weakening, but it also would make the new tactics.

I'd like to see it.

Octavius · « **Reply #8 on:** December 10, 2002, 08:23:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
Would be nice if this was modeled.

I bet if it was, the Ostwind scourge would quickly end. If after every 6th shot, the gun had a 10 second or so delay (to simulate reloading) it would be much harder for the spray and pray types to kill stuff.

i like it!

Mitsu · « **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2002, 08:29:12 PM »

oh, i'm sorry for hi-jacking thread...pyro.

my english is bad, can someone post a new thread about it?

thx.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2002, 08:33:51 PM »

Pyro-

Manual traverse of PzIV turret was 14 deg/sec

Powered traverse was electric and not dependent on engine speed...will research.

paulieb · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2002, 09:03:32 PM »

Oh, thank the Lord!! I thought this was going to be another Kurt Tank bashing thread!!

Pongo · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2002, 09:09:12 PM »

times for full revolution.(German testing)
T34 10 seconds
KV 30-35 seconds
Sherman 15 seconds
Panther-Tiger 30-35 seconds..
Should be noted that the T34 had very fast traverse but inaccurate..
the Sherman had fast and accurate...

They didnt list the Panzer IVH.
The panzer IV H had a small two stroke engine that could run to keep the electric turrent travers going when the main engine was off..

I dont know if Ostwinds based on a panzer iv chasis kept the turrent motor and electric drive though. Easy to tell with a rear picture of the thing..if it has a big muffler and a little muffler it has the turrent motor.

SirLoin · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2002, 09:43:19 PM »

Powered traverse was taken out with the "J" model.Not the "H".

wulfie · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2002, 10:16:34 PM »

PYRO:

Give me 72 hours and I'll get you the traverse speed data (powered at a couple of different RPM levels + manual) from WW2 Pz IVH crew training manual. I may even be able to get you scanned pages of the manual with the data.

Powered traverse speed varied - it was based off engine RPMs which is why German Pz drivers were taught to 'keep high RPMs when moving into firing position' = the high RPMs insured the fastest possible traverse.

Mike/wulfie