Author Topic: Trent Lott?? (Read 2076 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #75 on:** December 13, 2002, 06:16:05 PM »

i sorry to hear that midnight Target got whipped in school, but what duz that have to do with Lott ?

Gunthr · « **Reply #76 on:** December 13, 2002, 06:28:00 PM »

That analogy just doesn't fly MT. I see what you are trying to say, but it just isn't useful in this situation.

None of us really have much history on earth here. I don't think there really is a "wise man" among us. Because you like to float ideas doesn't make you wise. We all just try to do the best we can do. We try, we fail, we try again.

I think you know that you won't find a fairer teacher than Kieran. He would never choose any child to be a "whipping boy". In fact, he'd probably go out of his way to make sure that any such kid got fair treatment. You know that.

So, seriously, c'mon.

whgates3 · « **Reply #77 on:** December 13, 2002, 07:49:39 PM »

...so it seem trent lott made just about the exact same statement@thurmond's 80th b-day party...anyone remember 1982? was there this type of outcry?

racism is inherently anticapitalist

Kieran · « **Reply #78 on:** December 13, 2002, 08:26:46 PM »

That's the funny thing, Gunthr. I'm not supposed to treat everyone the same (if I am to believe my college courses). 'Course I don't care, I go ahead and treat everyone the same, but I'd be a fool to say formal education in America doesn't look at minorities differently than whites. All the minorities have to do is yell "lawsuit" and the school caves.

MT and Thrawn, how do you feel about Conyers of Michigan? He's a pretty good pal of Louis Farrakhan, one of the worst race baiters in the country, and devout segregationist. What I remember of the reparations thread, you (MT) seemed sympathetic to the cause. If true, odd that you'd support a segregationist's viewpoint.

Eagler · « **Reply #79 on:** December 13, 2002, 09:15:31 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Buncha children!

"Yea but so and so did something just as baaad!"

sheesh.

Lott said something incredibly stupid. That is all.

maybe be different then if Monica was black?
THEN the dems would have condemned the breech of trust?

Erlkonig · « **Reply #80 on:** December 13, 2002, 11:05:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Do we live in the same country?

Here's the real question; if a black man says such racist comments, what does his support base do, back him to the hilt, or agree he should leave. Now compare that to what has happened to Lott. See a difference?

How can you even accurately gauge what a person's "support base" does? If they disagreed with what this person said, would they still even be considered a "support base"? Let me guess, if he's black than his "support base" is those who back him to the hilt - if he's white then it's those who agree he should "leave". Looks to me like you're stacking the deck.

StSanta · « **Reply #81 on:** December 14, 2002, 06:06:07 AM »

Eagler, you say actions are worse than words.

his word swere his actions. His words tried to ensure that lynching wasn't outlawed.

He just had to have the political mandate to make it so, which he was seeking. With his words.

And that is far worse than a blojob, any given day.

Kieran · « **Reply #82 on:** December 14, 2002, 08:24:25 AM »

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How can you even accurately gauge what a person's "support base" does? If they disagreed with what this person said, would they still even be considered a "support base"? Let me guess, if he's black than his "support base" is those who back him to the hilt - if he's white then it's those who agree he should "leave". Looks to me like you're stacking the deck.

Point to all the white people asking Lott to stay. I can point you to quotes and pictures of the rally where Conyers and Farrakhan spoke to a group of supporters, the national organization of which they are members that is created expressly for the purpose of segregationist activity, whatever you need. I'm not stacking any deck.

Lott should go, because what he said was stupid. It proves he is too stupid to be politic enough to run the party. What I guess I am saying though is that even if he was the most rampant racist on the Republican side, there are equivalents across the isle that are embraced by their party.

"I want to go up to the closest white person and say, 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing,' and then slap him, just for my mental health," Charles Barron, a member of the New York City Council, told the crowd.

Edit spelling.

midnight Target · « **Reply #83 on:** December 14, 2002, 08:44:56 AM »

LOL, thank you for the review Steve, I'll take that as a "Thumbs Down" from the Ebert of AH.

I hope Kieran knows that I was not infering that he was in any way a part of my analogy. From the posts I've read here, I would be happy to have him teaching my kids. He sounds fair and intelligent.

As for reparations. I have never said that I was for them. I think the dialog is a good thing, and I have always said that I felt that discussions of reparations tend to bring out the white sheets on this BBS. You are free to go back and check my posts. I doubt that I ever said that reparations are warranted. (Unless of course my kids were to get their 40 acres. In Southern California that would make us very rich

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Kieran · « **Reply #84 on:** December 14, 2002, 08:51:18 AM »

I left that open to clarification on your part, and if you say you are not for them, I accept that. My memory of the discussion is that you felt there was room to consider the cause and need, not that you had in particular said "yes" or "no". Not trying to cherry-pick, just looking for the clarification.

Eagler · « **Reply #85 on:** December 15, 2002, 09:02:48 AM »

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Originally posted by StSanta
Eagler, you say actions are worse than words.

his word swere his actions. His words tried to ensure that lynching wasn't outlawed.

He just had to have the political mandate to make it so, which he was seeking. With his words.

And that is far worse than a blojob, any given day.

lott did not lynch anyone, nor did the 100 year old geezer he said the comment to in a roasting text at teh geezers bday party

you can't say the same for slick and his act of infidelity to his wife and to the country with his lies afterwards

the dems just have to be consistant, then again they wouldn't be dems then.....

whgates3 · « **Reply #86 on:** December 15, 2002, 08:10:17 PM »

i dont think lott is old enough to have involved in many lynchings (they're so much more rare these days), but strom grew up the golden age of lynching...he may be an ace

Kieran · « **Reply #87 on:** December 15, 2002, 08:53:28 PM »

Yes, and Jesse Jackson may have dined with Idi Amin (and ate a few kids), he's old enough.

What's your point?

whgates3 · « **Reply #88 on:** December 16, 2002, 12:40:46 AM »

do you have a short attention span or a reading comprehension problem?

Erlkonig · « **Reply #89 on:** December 16, 2002, 01:36:19 AM »

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Point to all the white people asking Lott to stay.

Well, I suppose we can start with Dubya, who despite condemning what Lott said, does not think that he should resign (that's what Ari Fleischer says). In the Senate, there is Mitch McConnell:

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However, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who will succeed Nickles as GOP whip, defended Lott on Sunday and urged the party to "accept this apology and move on."

"Sen. Lott was elected to a two-year term, and he's said he's not going to resign, and in my view he shouldn't," McConnell told "Fox News Sunday." "We need to stay together and pursue the president's agenda."

McConnell acknowledged the matter was "a crisis," but he insisted the party's goal should be to focus on Bush's agenda and not on the "big mistake" of the Senate GOP leader.

In this thread, it appears that Shuckins thinks this is no big deal at all. I can only assume he is white.

While Conyers's association with Farrakhan is a poor idea if he has any hope of getting whites to seriously consider his position on reparations, he did not say anything racist or promoting of segregation. Furthermore, I would hardly call the attendance of several thousand people to an out of state rally anything much like a "support base" - Conyers recieved almost 150,000 votes in the last election. But anyway, if you are right, and there are overt racists in the Democratic side of Congress, I doubt you'll be able to pin it down to the Lott's or Gephart's.