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Offline midnight Target

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« on: December 12, 2002, 12:33:16 PM »
Is this going too far?

Near my home is a Family Planning clinic. There are often protesters outside, and that is fine with me. They sometimes carry signs that read "Jesus Saves" or something similar. That is also fine, and their right.

Yesterday it took a turn though. A guy sat at the curb, it's a very busy street, with a huge (6' by 6') picture of a torn and bleeding baby.  

I found the picture disturbing, it might even make some people sick.

Would it be OK to sit out in front of a church with a huge picture of a naked woman bleeding from her vagina?

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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2002, 12:38:42 PM »
I admit that's a bit much. Had I been anywhere near there I woulda folded that sign around the man and beat him with a street sign.

There has to be limit...and as far as I know there is. If his "free speech" offended anyone else, he could have either been told to remove the sign or fined for it. And if he tried to claim "free speech", it wouldn't stand up because someone else found it offensive.

On another note, I almost got suspended for a newspaper article I wrote about my school...but I digress.

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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2002, 12:38:50 PM »
Most of the women I've seen in my practice with this problem have been due to complications of an abortion.

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2002, 12:49:23 PM »
These idiots have gone one step further.  Over the summer, they rented one of those rolling billboard trucks, and had a similar picture blown up and then they drove around town with it.  On the news they interviewed these people and they told of how they had to install bullet-proof glass and wear flak jackets.

Here is what you do.  Make a sign with a picture of an adult (no kiddie porn) blowing a priest, and stand on the curb in front of this guy's church.

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2002, 01:02:33 PM »
PETA a few years back had a campaign going that called MCmurder

They where boycotting McDonalds for  killing animals ETC.

SO I check out there page for fun and stumbled on the PDF you could print that was their flier to hand out.

It was filled with nasty images of dead cows and stuff, very disturbing.

They instructed people to wait in from of McDonald's and hand the fliers to Kids... Young kids!!

The stuff was just wrong.

The shirt with Ronald McDonald holding a severed bleeding cows head saying "would you like fries with that" was cool though..

always wanted to order a big Mac wearing one!

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2002, 01:05:02 PM »
Sign that size could startle some unspecting driver and cause and accident and possible death.

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2002, 01:05:56 PM »
I hate nut-cases like those.  I am a Christian.  I'm against abortion.

but these idiots do more harm than good.  It's like those people who stand on a busy corner with a bullhorn telling people they are going to burn in hell.

the point of protesting, or evangilising is to educate people and lead them to God.

how many people do these A-holes think they are winning over.
they are doing more to make undecided people hate Christians than win anyone over.

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2002, 01:23:51 PM »
midnight Target: I found the picture disturbing, it might even make some people sick.
 Would it be OK to sit out in front of a church with a huge picture of a naked woman bleeding from her vagina?


 MT, I have a better and more appropriate idea. No need for naked women (or blowing a priest) which may actually be specifically regulated by pornography laws and land you in jail.

 Just come to that guy and ask him for a copy of that poster - pretend that you are a sympathiser. Also, ask what church he is attending.
 Then take exactly the same poster and sit in front of the church with it one morning when they are entering with their kids.

 If you can protest abortion in one place, you surely can do it in another. If they ask you to leave, accuse them in supporting abortion.

On the other hand they are probably not guilty and do not deserve it... Still, it was a nice fantasy


GtoRA2: ...holding a severed bleeding cows head...

 Hmmm... Mouth watering...


festus: Most of the women I've seen in my practice with this problem have been due to complications of an abortion.

 You are wrong. Most of those women's problem have been due to complications of stupidity. Unnecessary abortion is just one of many ways for a fool to do oneself in.

 miko
« Last Edit: December 12, 2002, 01:25:58 PM by miko2d »

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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2002, 01:25:38 PM »
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...with a huge (6' by 6') picture of a torn and bleeding baby.

Was it a baby or a fetus?  Now you see his point?  If it was just tissue to be discarded, it may have been disgusting but not against public decency (sp?) standards.  If it was a baby then he should have be hauled away, but then he has proven his point that abortion if often infanticide by another name.

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2002, 01:30:29 PM »
How does that prove a point for a 5 year-old child that a mother brought to clinic for her PAP-smear (or whtvr) appointment?

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2002, 02:10:13 PM »
I guess tolerance and freedom of expression and non-violence cease to be liberal values when someone else's expression is politically inconvenient.  I bet a lot of the guys who would beat up that sign bearer are the same guys who support federal funding for pictures of crosses floating in jars of urine.  :)
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2002, 02:40:19 PM »
That is a bit too much.

What are they protesting against?

If it causes you to not "function" normaly or go about yer daily life normaly then it should be stoped..
"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life." - Chief Tecumseh

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2002, 02:50:42 PM »
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Originally posted by funkedup
I guess tolerance and freedom of expression and non-violence cease to be liberal values when someone else's expression is politically inconvenient.  I bet a lot of the guys who would beat up that sign bearer are the same guys who support federal funding for pictures of crosses floating in jars of urine.  :)


Kinda ironic ain't it. The same guys complainin' here about a poster don't seem to have much to say about the religion in Pakistan that is responsible for the killing of over 460 women there last year for crimes as menial as being a bad cook.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2002, 02:52:17 PM »
let's juts hope those protestors get their way some day and root out abortion and birth control for good!

just think about it....someday the united states could be like mexico- we could all be scared to death that god would send us to hell for using birth control or having abortions. and women wouldn't need all them faincy pap smears, they could just pray and if they ended up getting cervical cancer, well it's all part o' god's plan. it's so simple.

won't it be great when we all clean hotel rooms 23 hours a day to feed our 7 kids! yeahhh!!! i can't wait. if we need to see some surroundings other than the squalor of our hut we can always go down to the cathedral where everything is gilded and covered in satin.

those clinics are awful, go protestors!!!!!go soldiers o' the lawd!!!!! ahhh....the future, seems so bright, amen......

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2002, 03:24:43 PM »
Mr. Fish would you please enlighten us on the eitiology and pathophysiology of cervical cancer.