F4U-1C Perked - WTG. One Down, Six to Go.

[anRky]

Yep, I wouldn't mind seeing all those planes perked somewhat.  Even the Tiffie!

anRky

[Nifty]

Fw 190D-9  there are still 3 other 190 rides, no prob here

P-51D  There's still the B pony...

La-7 You got the La-5...

Me 109G-10 Still 3 other 109 rides.

Typhoon IB  I don't really have an opinion here.  maybe like someone said, add the older model tiffie.  Or fix the roll rate if it's really incorrect.

N1K2-J  uhmm, that'd leave how many Japanese AC free?  one??  dunno about that.  Fix the FM, then see if it still "needs" to be perked.

F4U-1C  You got the D model.  

Well, while we're on the perking frenzy, I say add the Spit IX to the list.  You've still got the V and the Seafire.  

As long as the perk costs are low, just about anyone can fly the planes evetually.  Also, for the most part, there is a near equivalent plane in every case.  Sure the other model may not be as good, but it's still a 109, or it's still a Corsair.

[whels1]

perk the b17 cause u still got the Lanc
and ju88 and TBM. if ur gona perk buff killer AC then u gota start perkin buffs too.

whels

 

Originally posted by Nifty:
Fw 190D-9  there are still 3 other 190 rides, no prob here

P-51D  There's still the B pony...

La-7 You got the La-5...

Me 109G-10 Still 3 other 109 rides.

Typhoon IB  I don't really have an opinion here.  maybe like someone said, add the older model tiffie.  Or fix the roll rate if it's really incorrect.

N1K2-J  uhmm, that'd leave how many Japanese AC free?  one??  dunno about that.  Fix the FM, then see if it still "needs" to be perked.

F4U-1C  You got the D model.  

Well, while we're on the perking frenzy, I say add the Spit IX to the list.  You've still got the V and the Seafire.  

As long as the perk costs are low, just about anyone can fly the planes evetually.  Also, for the most part, there is a near equivalent plane in every case.  Sure the other model may not be as good, but it's still a 109, or it's still a Corsair.

[Nifty]

Actually, I see more Lancs and JU88's than B17's and TBM's so you'd perk those instead.  

However, fix the laser guided bombs from the buffs, and you won't need to perk 'em at all.  

[hazed-]

I think the challenge of AH is what KEEPS people paying $30 which gives HTC a stable income they can rely on.
trying to make everyone happy must be a nightmare and the perk system we have is being tested.
Again i ask give it a chance! its only because of the time between updates that it doesnt happen at a faster pace which in a PERFECT world would be weekly or monthly refining of the gameplay right? well it isnt possible for the poor old programmers to go at that speed so we have to test things at a slower pace.
1 or 2 tours gives HTC a fairly good idea of what the changes they make do to the arena.
Im prepared to try anything for a month or so or even longer if i can see its potential looks good like i think the perk system does.

As for newbies being limited in choice of planes why not get a gift of perks for subscribing to AH? extra incentive to start paying.Not so much that it negates trying for the TOP planes but enough to waste a few cheaper)perk planes in fun?


------------------
Hazed
3./JG2

[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-02-2001).]

[Zippatuh]

Its nice to see that a few vocal minority can whine loud enough and get what they want here.  I see that affirmative action is alive and well in AH.

I would like to see something from HiTech, a recent post, which explains the reason behind perking the Chog.  Since we have already started a trend, maybe just maybe, we can get the plane set down to only those aircraft that is “acceptable”.  I should think 4 or 5 are all you need.

I still vote for reducing everything down to C47’s, the only true and honorable way to fight.  

Zippatuh

[Mighty1]

Well to be honest the day I cannot fly an AC because of points is the day I quit.

I'm not going to pay $30 a month to fly c47 or c202 or what ever is left unperked.

[LLv34_Camouflage]

Rolling Perk Set would probably be better. If thats not going to happen, then Funked's idea might be an answer.  

Camo

------------------
Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
 www.muodos.fi/LLv34

Brewster into AH!

"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."

[Tac]

Gimme a P-38K ... AND PERK IT      

[Midnight]

Why should the P-51D be perked? Aside from small dedicated squads, when is the last time you saw 7 or 8 of them flying in the same airspace?

Before, you could dive into a furball and usually count 5 or 6 Chogs, and 4 or 5 N1ks.

The only thing the P-51D has going for it above other planes is speed and fuel endurance. It can't really out-turn, out accelerate, out climb, or out gun. It doesn't have good ground attack ability thanks to the radiator. It doesn't carry enough ords and ammo to kill much more than a V-field.

So explain to me in real terms why the P-51D should be perked.

And remember, according to HTC, perks are for keeping a plane from being over-used. I don't see the P-51D being over used in the MA.

------------------
Midnight CO
412th FG "Braunco Mustangs"[/i]

The 412th is actively seeking P-51 Mustang pilots. E-mail me for more information   davidl@splusnet.com  

"You tell them I'm coming.. And Hell's coming with me!" -Kurt Russel Tombstone

[LaVa]

I agree with midnight...

Perked aircraft are those that that would upset the MA if introduced as "Free" aircraft.

Some that come to mind that would upset the arena if not perked.

ME-262
P-80
F8F
A-26
B-29

These aircraft will be here some day--- and quess what, to fly these you need perks,  if you fly the spitIX,51B,109G-10,La7,190D-9 it is going to take you forever to fly the super-planes because of the Low ENY value of the planes that you are killing in.

So it boils down to this, if ya want to fly the uber planes ya have to learn to kill in the older planes.

This idea is similiar to funked's, but it expands the perked aircraft to another level.

LaVa

[StSanta]

Midnight, the 51-D is used more than the G10, so from this perspective, perk it.

When was the last time you saw a squad come up in only g10's? Apart from us, Llv, 301 and the assassins, few squads fly the LW planes in something approaching "dedicated" status.

------------------
Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Midnight]

StSanta... I don't see that as a viable direct comparison. There are a couple reasons.

1. Aside from the G10, there is the G6, G2 and F4. AFAIK, these all have similar flight performance and all have cannons for killing.

2. Aside from the 51D, there is the 51B. These have similar flight performance, but the 51B has reduced killing ability with only 4x .50 caliber MG.

3. Americans are brought up thinking the 51D is the be-all, end-all of WWII A/C. I would be willing to bet every American AH newbie grabs a 51D a few times before switching to the Uber Chog or the UFO N1K. The 51D has 0.914 KD vs. the G10's 1.152 which supports his theory somewhat.

If you take all models of the 109 K/D against all models of the P-51 K/D, the 109 has more.

G10 - 5536 / 4806
G6  - 1473 / 1380
G2  - 1379 / 1019
F4  - 1222 / 1501

TOTAL - 9610 / 8706

51D - 6361 / 6962
51B - 1205 / 1199

TOTAL - 7566 / 8161

diff - 2044 / 545

So you see, there is still no reason the P-51D should be perked. And, by my same logic, the 109-G10 need not be perked either, as it too is not seen in endless droves. (Even though I hate the G10   )

------------------
Midnight CO
412th FG "Braunco Mustangs"[/i]

The 412th is actively seeking P-51 Mustang pilots. E-mail me for more information    davidl@splusnet.com  

"You tell them I'm coming.. And Hell's coming with me!" -Kurt Russel Tombstone

[This message has been edited by Midnight (edited 05-03-2001).]

[DB603]

S!

 Midnight..Agreed that P51D doesn't need to be perked.It ain't that wonderful plane nor unbeatable.It's advantages are the speed at hi alt and fuel endurance as U mentioned+some other stuff.When opposing P51,the key word is patience and good SA.Eventually the P51 driver will make a mistake You can utilize or runs..errr..extends from the situation.
 About the 109.They all have very different flight characteristics.Where the 109F-4 is nimble suffereing from relatively low top speed, the G-10 is less maneuverable but is fast.109G-2 is between 109F-4 and 109G-10.109G-6 is just a bulged/heavier G-2 with less maneuverability Common to all 109's is the climb rate.It is pretty good on all of them and being very good in 109G-10.The engines are also of different HP.DB601(109F-4) had about 1200hp,DB605(109G-2/6) has 1400hp and G-10 has 1800-2000hp(depends on source,not sure which model of engine,prolly some variant of DB605 or even DB603).109's still offer something for variety of altitudes,from low(109F-4),med(109G-2/6) to high(109G-10).So pick Yer altitude and choose "correct" 109  



------------------
DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34

[GRUNHERZ]

The 109F4 had a DB601E producing 1350HP