F4U-1C Perked - WTG. One Down, Six to Go.

[gatt]

Early DB605's had about 1,450hp. If I'm not wrong, the 109G could not mount the DB603. During late 1943 and first half of 1944, the only 1-engine fighter able to mount the mighty DB603 was the G.55 "Centauro".

[MANDOBLE]

Funked, it seems your list is based, mainly, on top speed as criteria to perk a plane. IMO, this is a very poor criteria. Add E retention, zoom climb, diving, weapons and turning. All these factors are the primary ones to kill, speed is only the primary one to flee.

190D9: Good E retention at hi speed. Very poor E retention at lo-med speeds. Poor weapons. Good zoom climb and diving. Null at turning.

P51D: Good E retention at Hi-med speeds. Average E retention at lo speeds. Average weapons. Excelent zoom climb and diving. Goor turner.

La7: Excelent E retention. Average weapons. Excelent zoom climb and good diving. Good turner.

G10: Average E retention. Poor weapons. Poor turning. Excelent zoom climb. Null diving.

Typh: Good E retention. Excelent weapons. Good turning. Excelent zoom climb. Excelent diving.

Nikki: Excelent everything.

It seems you forget the next one ...

SPIT IX: Excelent everything (except top speed at level flight).

[Jekyll]

   

Originally posted by Dowding:
BTW, I think it very strange that so much scrutiny is paid to Allied planes with the conclusion that they are over-modelled, yet the LW modelling is assumed to be spot on or actually below the real-life performance.

Well, check this out for yourself.
   
Can you pick the ONE aircraft from all these which in AH performs below its specs?    



[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 05-03-2001).]

[Don]

Hmmm, this business of perk points and perked planes is all new to me. I admit though that I was disappointed about not being able to fly the Chog; I was just getting to like it  
I had a few perk points (which I didnt know about) and got to fly it for 3 hops on Tuesday night until I got ganged 3 consecutive times, so I figure I can do without it and fly something else; I wasn't all that attached to it anyway.
For me though, the notion of perk points to keep the number of players flying it down is interesting. In another sim if a lot of folks flew a plane, it was either porked, too easy to fly and newbies flew it a lot, or, it was porked and newbies and dweebs flew it a lot  
Hell, I'll just fly the DHog if I can't fly the Chog   They only made 200 of the Chogs anyway, making it more of an historical curiosity anyway  

[Don]

Well I'm back to wade in with more observations about perking planes. I admit I am a bit more confused than I was  
So, lemme get this straight... Funked puts up a list which many agree with because:
Too may people fly those a/c on the list or...
The arena is somehow unbalanced because so many people fly those planes  or...
Those planes on the list are somehow inaccruately modeled?  or...
Newbies or bad pilots should not be able to fly those a/c because they won't be able to afford to fly them?  or....
Some of those on the list can kill buffs and therefore have some kind of unfair advantage?
or...
Perk everything so there will be balance in the arena?    or...
The better pilots should be "taxed" by having perk points required once they reach the top 300?

<scratches head> This is all very confusing...;( I'm wondering why I can't just fly any damned plane I want to? Learn it, get good at flying and dying in it, and move on to the next plane so I can broaden my experience.
I had forgotten how being a dweeb has many drawbacks, and that learning a new sim involves more than just learning the FM and planeset  

[Nash]

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[R4M]

 

Originally posted by gatt:
During late 1943 and first half of 1944, the only 1-engine fighter able to mount the mighty DB603 was the G.55 "Centauro".

LOL Gatt, you could not be more wrong  

Several 190 prototypes were fitted with a DB603 as soon as in late 1942. And some high
-altitude prototypes carried it too (FW190C)

 And Kurt Tank wanted the Daimler-Benz engine over the Ju-213 for the 190. The reason why it wasnt fitted in anything else than 190 and 152 prototypes is that the RLM,while having authorized Tank to build 190 prototypes using the DB603, always warned him that it would be a very low priority. The official reason is that there was too heavy demand of 603s engines everywhere else.

 Finally, for the time that Tank achieved the RLM to give green light for building production planes with the DB603, it was too late. That is the reason why the Ta152C never entered full production.

The Ta152C and Ta153 would've carried DB603s.  

[Lance]

It is a nefarious plot, Don.  You see, Evil Dr. Funked wants to see them perked so the average shmo like yourself has to fly inferior aircraft on a regular basis.  This is so that he can more easily pick you apart in an uber plane that he pays for from his unlimited pool of perk points that he has acrued while flying all of those uber aircraft without having to pay for them.  Muhahahahaha!

For those who are dense, the above is B.S. with regards to Funked.  But if you are going to perk all late war aircraft, there really ought to be a perk point account reset.  You have too many people who have accrued too many points in those aircraft already without having to spend points on them.  The only people it would keep out of late war planes are new players who are already cannon fodder to begin with.

So perk Funked's list, I don't care, I don't hardly fly anymore.  But if you do, wipe the perk accounts.  People that genuinely want to see more use of early war aircraft won't care.

Gordo

[LaVa]

What gordo said....

The only way to go is up in the perk system.  There are alot of late war "monsters" that will make the 51D,G10,La7,190D-9 etc etc look like piper cubs.  Well, not that bad, but you get my point.

Instead of perking our current hot rods make new ones that are even more super.

ME262---Prolly the most expensive perk ride i can think of. 70 perks----temp now costs 25

F8F---Low alt furballers dream. Mid perk price. 40 perks

P-51<H><K> cant remember, just a cannon hauling mustang...your high alt nightmare and something to fight me262s in 40 perks

That bristish jet...cant remember the name
but it would be expensive. 70 perks

Temp----cheaper perk...25 points

Ta-152--cheap perk 15 points.

CHOG----cheapy 8 perks.

This is the direction the perk system needs to go imho.

The addition of these aircraft, which all had functuning SQs that were fully trained and deployed to combat before the wars end.
LaVa

[handy]

  Well maybe these planes were a mistake to put in?   If you have to discourage people from flying them then take em out.  I believe that perk points make new people feel the learning curve is just to great and that veterans have and insurmountable advantage.
We all know there will never be a level playing field ,skill wise, but at least there could be one in aircraft choices? All paying customers deserve the same game for there money regardless of skill level.. I vote for one plane set for all. Whatever that maybe is ok with me.

[Sundog]

Jekyll, do you also have a graph to show the force required at the joystick with regard to those roll rates & speeds? Just curious.

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Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs
MAG-33

'Criticism is easier than craftmanship.'

[MrSiD]

Don: The training arena is available for practising different type of a/c. You even get trainers to give you pointers on what you're doing wrong.

[Jigster]

If I remember right, thats a 0 (minimal)--> 50lb stick force as speed increases for that particular chart Sundog.

[Don]

>I would be willing to bet every American AH newbie grabs a 51D a few times before switching to the Uber Chog or the UFO N1K.

You would lose your bet  
I am a newbie and the first a/c I flew in the MA was an FW 190  
I am also partial to the P-51D, the f4U1D, the Me109F and a few others. I am not partial to TnB planes. I prefer to energy fight.
I am aware of the training arena and have already been there, and will continue to go til I learn this sim.
I have been a dweeb before, and am a dweeb again. There HAS to be a learning curve if the sim is going to be worth the time, energy, rantings from your wife and expense  

Hell, let the veterans with the humongous perk points have their points, they earned them. Hehe, there has to be some incentive for a newbie dweeb to put up with the frustration; eventually take em away from the veterans  
Now there is something to aspire to   Cya up!

[Staga]

I have enough points to fly Tempest or Ta-152 and feed them to enemy 202's thought I rather fly with Dora or La-7.
IMO our perk-planes aren't worth of 50 or 70 points, You can have almost same speed or firepower for free or cheap 8 points.

Hehe