new uberdweeb wagon?

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Kieran:
Yup. This isn't going to end pretty, it seems.

huhm...I think this thread is about revision of a couple planes' FM, nothing regarding perk planes...I think you are all a bit paranoid now.

The N1K2 FM is at suspect by most of this community members and either there must be a reason for it, or we are all paranoid  

the Typhoon rollrate is way over what it should be, according with NACA charts.

I say, fix it, and let the planes unperked. Hell, let them unperked anyway, I dont care. I see no reason for the N1K2 to be perked because its usage is not unbalancing now. but for sure I would like to see them stopping the 180º close turn+zoom BS they do all the time   . ANd I would like to see the tiffie rollrate fixed (and finally to see the torque levels back where they were in 1,03 because now they are wayyyy soft IMO)

I see nothing wrong with this, and is nothing new...this has been said way way before the Chog has been perked.


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[MrSiD]

Yeah fix them, we can play starwars elsewhere..

Afterall, this is supposed to be an accurate simulation of ww2 aircraft.

[Karnak]

The only non-Perk Plane that I ever advocated perking was the F4U-1C.  I have advocated that the FM on the N1K2-J and Typhoon be fixed, and I will continue to do so because I want more accurate FMs.  The F4U-1C and 1D had no glaring flaws in their FM, therefore the only fix to the over use of the F4U-1C was to perk it.

I WILL NOT be advocating that any other plane be perked, unless it too gets 20% of the kills in a Tour, which will almost positively not happen.

BTW, the F4U-1C has hardly disappeared from the MA.  When I checked last night it was in 4th place for number of kills.  This was a very light perking meant to somewhat reduce the numbers, not cull it outright like is being claimed.  To hear the anti-perk-the-F4U-1C-whines you'd think it had been removed from AH as a viable option.

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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Kieran]

The point is- and I (and others) have said it before- there will always be a perceived unbalancing plane. I am not saying there isn't anything wrong with the N1K2-J flight model, I am saying that as soon as people are through with it they will move right on to the next plane to "correct". That's ok too, and probably what should happen in a constructive discussion. There is more though.

Coupled with all the discussions over relative perceived performance flaws will be the clique of pilots who will now harrass anyone flying anything they think isn't "worthy". Rest assured, something will take the C-hog's place as the most reviled aircraft in AH. The Typhoon seems the most likely candidate at this time. Will everyone now consider anyone a dweeb that flies one? I suspect we know the answer, right?

[Karnak]

Actually, no Kieran, we don't.  For the first time in many, many tours in AH, we don't absolutely know which will be the plane with the most kills.

It looks to be the N1K2, but it doesn't seem that it is getting 20% of the kills.  Something else, like the Typhoon, could overtake it, but we don't know.

Isn't not knowing a wonderful feeling?  We actually get to find out as the tour progresses.  I like it, its new.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Kieran]

If you think I am against perks, you are wrong. If you think I am against witch hunts, you are right. If you think people are done whining about perceived aircraft overuse, you are wrong. If you think this is only the tip of the iceberg, you are right.

[Dux]

What am I again?  

[Apache]

If you numbers guys are for perking the popular planes, then get your pen & paper ready for your next hunt. Go look at the stats as of 13:30 EDT. N1k has almost 600 kills. I didn't spend alot of time looking but it was almost double that of anything else. LMAO.
Like I have said all along, we are just moving them to next airframe. There is always an "uber" bird.

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Apache:
If you numbers guys are for perking the popular planes, then get your pen & paper ready for your next hunt. Go look at the stats as of 13:30 EDT. N1k has almost 600 kills. I didn't spend alot of time looking but it was almost double that of anything else. LMAO.
Like I have said all along, we are just moving them to next airframe. There is always an "uber" bird.

at this moment N1K2 has 650 kills or so while the Spit IX has 550 or so. now that sounds like a 2-1 difference?   I dont think so.

After those two the numbers are pretty equal. This is EXACTLY the tendence we had last TOD (Spit and Nik doubled their immediate followers # of kills),maybe with a bigger usage of the nik over the spit wich was expectable. But now there is no uberhawg doubling the number of N1K and Spit kills.

So sorry, I think that is was the pro-chog-perk crowd who was right on this issue. The N1K has some more users, the Dhog too, and the typhoon usage has seen a big jump (330 kills at this moment). And there are still some 340 kills for the Chog aswell  .

This numbers point to a much MUCH more ballanced Main arena. Not to the "Massive migration syndrome" that some people precognized

Now if the N1K FM was fixed, I would be COMPLETELY happy  

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[easymo]

 Citabria. I remember running into you, and a 109, while you were flying a nik, in H2H. I don't remember you being especially uber in it. What is the thing that makes it unreal in your opinion? No vague comments about FM please. Be specific.

[Karnak]

RAM has it right as it stands now.  However I think it will take some time to find out where the pieces settle.  I am hoping that things keep going the way they seem to be.

The current top scorers:

The N1K2 has 621 kills and has been killed 573 times.

The Spitfire Mk IX has 524 kills and has been killed 462 times.

The Ostwind has 408 kills and has been killed 258 times.

The F4U-1C has 340 kills and has been killed 171 times.

The Panzer IV H has 325 kills and has been killed 242 times.

The Typhoon IB has 322 kills and has been killed 220 times.

The La-7 has 293 kills and has been killed 265 times.

The P-51D has 266 kills and has been killed 272 times.

The Bf 109G-10 has 233 kills and has been killed 205 times.

The F4U-1D has 187 kills and has been killed 235 times.

The Fw 190D-9 has 181 kills and has been killed 113 times.


Asyou can see,nothing has twice the killsof the thing below it and the F4U-1C has not been banished, merely controled.  The sky has not yet fallen.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[DRILL]

 sips drink moves on  

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DRILL

[Tac]

"Now tiffie drivers are dweebs..."

They have always been. But theyve been RESPECTABLE dweebs   . It takes skill to get a kill in a high speed/somewhat crappy accel ,low ammo plane  

[Vulcan]

WTF is wrong with the tiffie rollrate? It rolls like a pig as it is, and to follow anything else through a roll needs loads of rudder to help it round.

Rollrate won't affect the real tiffie pilots anyway. The core tiffie pilots (wardog, manedew, myself etc) will already know that you roll is not a stunning factor in flying the tiffie.

[straffo]

UBER Rollrate ?
IF I start to roll I'm already to DRUNK to fly