Author Topic: 2 requests for Ki-61-I-KAI.  (Read 997 times)

Offline Mitsu

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« on: December 14, 2002, 04:16:54 AM »
HT, thanks for adding Ki-61 tony, I love to fly it often, but I hope you improve 2 points on it.

1) plz add more lifts on it when deploying flaps. seems Ki-61's flap doesn't make lifts. check it plz.

2) plz allow deploying flaps at higher speed around 250mph, at least 200mph. The speed limit of Ki-61's flaps is currently 150mph. it's actually too slow.

Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2002, 11:41:17 AM »
Yes! Please do!  I'd fly it even more often if that were to happen.  It's already potent when used properly.   I like it even more than the A6M5
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2002, 04:53:09 AM »
Mitsu!

As the holy guardian of knowledge for all things Nipponese i would have expected you to come up with pages from manuals, diagrams, numbers etc. to support a request like this.
I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but you now how HT is about having things proven :)

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2002, 10:42:54 AM »
Has just occured to me, did i feel a hook going through my cheek? and it wasn't even that tasty a morsel :(

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2002, 01:12:49 PM »
of course he knows what he is talking about..  we had a cool little fight last night, him in the KI-61 and me in a p38..  
Manx and I ended up getting killed by the mess we flew into...

Mitsu killed me, not before I entertianed him a little with my P38 flying     Mitsu

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2002, 03:27:32 AM »
Salute, Spiegel. :)>
That was one of hardest fights in my Ki-61 life.

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i think so too, mitsu
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2002, 06:29:04 AM »
Hi all   S!

>1) plz add more lifts on it when deploying flaps. seems Ki-61's flap >doesn't make lifts. check it plz.

>2) plz allow deploying flaps at higher speed around 250mph, at least >200mph. The speed limit of Ki-61's flaps is currently 150mph. it's actually >too slow.

i think so too.

& ki61-kai-c(Tei) is No-good Power/weght ratio i think.

early model(Otsu=12.7mmx4 short-nose) is better .

(i want Otsu , new guinea camo paturn color)

but i like Hien!  That is not fighterPlane! thats  an object of art, in air:)
& operate feeling Silky
lo alt scissors action is good  i think.

thx
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Osaka Japan

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2002, 06:35:18 AM »
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Originally posted by crowbaby
Mitsu!

As the holy guardian of knowledge for all things Nipponese i would have expected you to come up with pages from manuals, diagrams, numbers etc. to support a request like this.
I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but you now how HT is about having things proven :)


I think Pyro has details of Ki-61-I-KAI data.
But want me to upload them?

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2002, 05:13:15 AM »
ahhhh......plzz.............. ..

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Re: 2 requests for Ki-61-I-KAI.
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2002, 10:54:49 PM »
I agree:D

HTC should improve Ki-61 immediately.
Moreover, I think that there is the responsibility in HTC.


We continue waiting for Ki-61 completed.
Because, it is since waiting is our only means.


Best Regards

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2002, 03:35:52 AM »
That was a fun fight. I'd do it again, even if the end results were the same :)  I just have to remind myself never to get pulled down into the hoardes and I'll be fine .

Mitsu, you're a class act to fight against.

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2002, 08:39:16 AM »
Not to mean any disrespect, Mitsu, but I'd like to see the related data on what you claim. This, in sense fairness, is a must.

 We've all seen how things go around. To claim something is wrong, he must come up with some sort of at least controversial data which the community can discuss about.

 If someone else posted a claim like this without any back-up data, he'd be branded as a whiner instantly and the whiner-police would start posting how the original poster is nothing but a whiner who can't accept the fact that the plane of his interest was trash in real life.

 I've seen many posts demanding correction, even with some good, controversial data, being attacked as a "whiner post" and yet, nobody seems to ask of you what in other cases is considered a must. This probably means the community trusts your word for it, but it also means that there is a clear double standard on who's word to trust and not. If some other newbie claimed that the Ki-61 flaps were not generating enough lift, I think everyone who reads my post right now knows what would have happened.

 So, how does one calculate the lift factor? What kind of aero-dynamics and physics does it involve? What is to be compared with the real life Ki-61 and AH Ki-61 involving flap deployment and extra lift? How does one measure correct lify anyway? I think you should post the data to back up your claim, so the other guys may examine it and either agree or disagree.
 
 Also, about the flap deployment speed, the same issue was brought up on the Bf109. The Bf109s, according to some data posted by other people, should have active flap deployment at about 220mph, and yet in AH, it is a lot lower. Other people have commented that the initial data concerning the 220mph flap deployment speed was wrong. How is it different in the Ki-61's case? How can we know if the data you have is to be trusted more than the data HTC uses?

 Once again, I don't know anything, and I'm requesting some evidence on why the Ki-61 is wrong. I'm just curious.

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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2002, 08:57:57 AM »
Actually, to be fair, i only asked Mitsu to produce proof because i love it when he posts charts, diagrams, pictures, plans and all sorts of other data that's fascinating and informative:)

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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2002, 10:52:45 AM »
I think it has to do more with his manor of posting. Notice no demands, no hidden agenda acusation, does his best to be repspectfull, and just states his request.

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2002, 11:49:58 AM »
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I think it has to do more with his manor of posting. Notice no demands, no hidden agenda acusation, does his best to be repspectfull, and just states his request.

HiTech


Yep, that about sums it up.
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