Author Topic: Stuka we have DID have siren...... (Read 2942 times)

Toad · « **Reply #30 on:** December 18, 2002, 09:03:00 AM »

More importantly, I'm reasonably certain... after much research... that the tunic buttons on the AH Luftwaffe uniforms are exactly 1.35 mm smaller than they really were during WW2.

Undermodeled again!

Something MUST be done.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #31 on:** December 18, 2002, 09:29:13 AM »

Heh. I didn't say I was quitting AH - just the O-club. And I have.

Urchin · « **Reply #32 on:** December 18, 2002, 11:09:28 AM »

I've seen pictures and diagrams of many Ju-87-D3 and up with sirens. At least they were labeled that way, and they looked like D models to me (The D and B model actually look different, so that parts pretty easy to tell, whats tough is distinguishing between D models). The pictures could have been mislabeled, I don't know. I really don't care to much about the siren, I guess I'm in the minority on that.

SW- The 109E was fitted for an engine mounted 20mm MG/FF firing through the spinner, but I don't think any were actually made that way. Actually, Galland may have had his modified, I know he had a couple 109s modified as 'one-offs' with more firepower than the standard ones. As far as I know, the supercharger intake was on the side of the nose, not through the spinner.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #33 on:** December 18, 2002, 11:19:32 AM »

Maybe it wasn't the supercharger intake, but I've read elsewhere it was some form of air intake...

Then again, the agreeance between sources of what it is indeed varies.

I've read that it was for a 20mm MGFF but since they proved to be unreliable and heavy maintence in test trials none were ever fitted.

With the 109E7 they used a closed spinner (no hole), so I guess it was for the intent of adding a 20mm MGFF, but I don't believe any where actually fitted... except for a few aces probably (Galland had a special 109F2 as well, so anything's possible with his aircraft)
-SW

Engine · « **Reply #34 on:** December 18, 2002, 11:21:33 AM »

Hi folks. This has been an interesting thread to read from the standpoint of an airplane and AH noob. From what I gather, some had sirens and some didn't. Personally, I'd love to see a dive siren for the stuka even if I won't fly it much, because I think it would add to the enjoyment of many who do.

Also, would anyone mind identifying the dive brakes and siren in some of these pictures? I have no clue what they look like.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #35 on:** December 18, 2002, 11:33:17 AM »

the thing cylinder shape with a flat straight object at the end of it in the red circle in this picture is the siren.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #36 on:** December 18, 2002, 11:34:26 AM »

The dive brakes are somewhat difficult to see, but they are circled in red.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #37 on:** December 18, 2002, 11:44:24 AM »

Bf109E3 had provisions to mount an engine cannon and some were initially fitted with them, but there were jamming and overheating problems which led to them being removed, the spinner was left with its hole for the gun though. Then E4, and E7 introduced the capped spinner which sealed off the blast tube as they gave up on the cannon for the time being.

Wotan · « **Reply #38 on:** December 18, 2002, 12:15:12 PM »

The b had a much larger oil cooler look at the "chin" of those d models imagine it bigger in a b. B were in use up to 42 when the dora began production.

See sw pick to see the dive flaps then look up in one my post theres a colored pic of a stuka look under the wing you dont see dive flaps.

In SWs other pick that prop on the gear spun the siren. Looks at tilts pick where the small prop and look up on the wing edge thats where the sound came from.

From what I gather lotsa of later model Doras were refurbished d1 d2 and d3s etc. Early production versions of the d5 and possibly the d3 used early variant frames and wings. Also some early variants were retrofitted to upgrade them to a later variant.

Like everything lw in the later years they re used everything.

Also some picks are mis labeled. So we may never know whats correct but it plausible that there were d3s with sirens and as shown there were deffeinately d5s with dive flaps.

As for the emil Gruen is correct.

However HT dont waste time redoing the stuka just get the flak 18s done for the g1 please

hyena426 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 18, 2002, 02:31:35 PM »

im supirzed they didnt give us the dive siren,,,maybe it was a pain to put a dive sound in for the stuka,,,im not sure,,but im happy to have it here anyways:)

Engine · « **Reply #40 on:** December 19, 2002, 06:38:26 AM »

Thanks for the highlighting, wulfe.

Wotan · « **Reply #41 on:** December 19, 2002, 06:54:45 AM »

fyi from the pics over at il2 seem oleg is modelling the d3 with a siren......

MiloMorai · « **Reply #42 on:** December 19, 2002, 08:00:33 AM »

The D-5 had a larger wingspan than the D-3 - the tip was more pointed.

The D-5 had 20mm wing guns, the D-3 had 7.92mm MG17s.

The early production D-3s had the siren, laters did not.

Early D-3s had a shroud over the first exhaust stack, laters did not.

Early D-3s had a non-skid wing walk, laters had metal strips.

The coolant radiator under the nose was moved back on the Ds and lost the multiple flaps of the Bs. (Woton, not only just an oil cooler;))

Grimm · « **Reply #43 on:** December 19, 2002, 12:23:04 PM »

Here is my Idea,

Why not make the Dive Siren an option in the Hanger.

Use it if you want to, or if your looking for realism dont.

Id really love to have the siren, Just think of being on the ground when a full flight of Stukas come diving in, the sirens wailing would be the the S*T

Wotan · « **Reply #44 on:** December 19, 2002, 01:00:37 PM »

well the chin radiator was positioned underneath the wings in the D and not clearly visible in those pics. You can clearly see the oil cooler though