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Offline sax

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« on: March 21, 2001, 02:44:00 PM »
Lately the 13th Tas has been getting a lot of comments on our high aproach into a furball.

Things like "Here comes the 13th Tas
stratus sphere squad", or, by the time you guys drop in from up there you'll have forgotten why you came.

I used to think this was just friendly ribbing, or perhaps some jelousy of our wing tactics.

Now I,m starting to wonder if we aren't grabbing alt just a little to much.

Last nite I climbed to my usuall altitude, I swear I saw the Mir space station, and as God is my witness, I,m sure Voss was docked for re-fuel and re-arm.

In the future I will now no longer get pissed when some comment comes across the buffer regarding "How High" we fly.

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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »
Don't let it bug ya Sax...those who criticize us need to quit whinin. If they think we'll fly to please them, well, that's funny. I personally get a big kick out of those who feel the need to tell anyone how to fly, especially the 13th TAS.

First of all, I could care less what anyone thinks about how we chose to engage the enemy...secondly, as you well know, the objective is to kill the enemy without being killed. Now, when let's say 6 TAS members enter an enemy area and rtb with 25-30 kills with no losses, I consider that a good thing.
Those that don't are obviously the ones who are cryin in their milk, sittin in the tower, typin digs at us for the unfair or better yet the unmanly way in which we fly this sim.

You know that we fight under 10k the majority of the time, so why care what they say...just kill em and move on!

In closing, to those who feel we don't fight the way you think we should, well, PISS ON YA!

Enough said!



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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2001, 03:11:00 PM »
Fly your game guys...thats what it is all about. If that is what you enjoy who cares? But it does lend itself well to jibes so you gotta role with it...
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »
Well that thing about the "unmanly" 13th TAS just might be true  

The 56th FG also prefers to come into a fight with an alt/E advantage. Of course we are generally in lead weight with wings P-47s and need everything we can get.

But ask any real fighter pilot and they'll tell you that altitude is life. It gives you options. Any dweeb that enters a furball from below just proves they aren't too smart. Maybe manly, but not too smart.  

Don't let it get to ya. Well, except for maybe the manly thing  

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »

You should always strive to fight on the ground of your choosing, at the time of your choosing, and with the tactics of your choosing, and in the aircraft of your choice.

You can't always enter a fight with those advantages, but any time you can, you have no reason to apologize for it.


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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2001, 03:22:00 PM »
Hey Pongo...man it's cool and crisp...totally invigorating! Clears your senses and sharpens your aim. Also, the ride getting there allows you time to make a pot of joe or have a smoke  

Oh, btw....we liken our flying style to that of the two bulls on a hill top, one the Father, the other the Son. As they look down on a herd of females, the son says, "Hey Dad! Let's run down there and get one of them females"! The Dad replies, "Naw son, let's walk down there and have em all"!

That of course is the polite rendition of a very old tale, however, it conveys the attitude of the 13th TAS as we look down on all of those bandits!  

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2001, 03:26:00 PM »
Well I for one would prefer it if the 13th TAS would lower there operational ceiling by aboot   5k to 8k.  That way I could stop getting bounced by 5 p51's on my way to my operational alt of 37k  

S! 13th  you guys are flying right, they only get mad because you were smarter and grabbed more alt than they did...


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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2001, 03:43:00 PM »
 
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Oh, btw....we liken our flying style to that of the two bulls on a hill top, one the Father, the other the Son. As they look down on a herd of females, the son says, "Hey Dad! Let's run down there and get one of them females"! The Dad replies, "Naw son, let's walk down there and have em all"!

That of course is the polite rendition of a very old tale, however, it coveys the attitude of the 13th TAS as we look down on all of those bandits!  

hehe...that explains a lot!  13th TAS, the deadly fairies of the AH skies  
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2001, 10:02:00 PM »
Hey guys, I wasn,t complaining about the insults.

I was serious about seeing Voss.

Beemer sent over some new pipe tobacco for me I saw some other things to, but I don't want to share those with anybody.

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2001, 12:14:00 AM »
Arghh I dont mind if guys fly high- But I hate that u bastids are such great teamworkers, cant barely ever get one of ur ponies 1v1.   Big <S> on your good wingman flying.

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2001, 12:34:00 AM »
Heh, there was this spit see? He kept grabbing after we killed him twice and I sidewalled him with four or five pings on his attempted HO.   I kept it at 25k and waited for him to come down.  When he did it was amazing to see a spit stay with me to buffet and straight through the ack!   I had his six when he augered. Go figure.

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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2001, 02:05:00 AM »
Heheheh, after many an insult, I managed to sucker a 13th TAS pilot to actually engage me 1v1.

At first, this friendly individual would set up a high six shot, I'd roll a little left while building speed. he'd pull up, I'd do the same. Same procedure for about four or five times.

Lots of insults and derogatory comments later (including a nice exchange like
 
<13THTAS>stop yer yapping, I fly like I want>
<StSanta>Muahahah, yah but yer never gonna get a shot at me this way>

He actually closed to within d1.0 for a shot. Since he dinnae saddle up, my trusty A5 could easily outmaneuver the P-51, since it was going a good bit slower.

Onto his six! Type in text buffer "now you DIE pony boy!"

Of course, this was just a second before I remembered I am flying the A5, not the D9.

One Brave Sir Robin later, after I'd desperately tried to run down this too fast pony, I saw something I haven't seen in a while; a 13th TAS locked in a fight, with no wingie to check his six, and slower and lower than me. So surprised was I that I almost forgot to fire as I engaged.

Was fun   .

I personally have no jealousy for the way the 13th fly. There are differences of philosophy in each squad. I for one am happy that it's a squad dedicated to flying planes from only one country.

But you WILL get a lot of comments from flying high in packs and disengaging when e states are nearing something that would mean that the enemy might possibly get a shot at ya. Now people know that you can fly from an advantage pretty well, and extend and because of the massive fuel capacity of the P-51, regrab and come back. What they know much less about is whether you're very good at co e, co alt fighting, or duking it out to the death of one of the engaged sides.

But who cares, right? A squad should fly in accordance to the temperaments and wishes of the members, not its targets  . Being one of the latter more often than not, I know how frustrating it is to *finally* get those damned P-51's low and slow enough so that in just one more attack, I might get a snapshot on one, only to see them hit the pedal to the metal and leave me standing in a cloud of dust, wondering why my A5 won't do more than 310mph  .

9./JG 54 likes to go to fronts where there are few kniggits around. If there are few friendlies and many enemies, we try to go for an alt advantage. Of course, 9th also seem to love to stay for far too long, which in the end means "eeeeeeeeek, let's BUG the HELL outta here" on RW followed by "cannot, am locked" on rw, with a last comment of "ok, coming back hold on...shi<beep>, there are LOADS of hi enemies here".

I just wish I was as good a shot as you 13th TAS guy. The flying bit I am decent at, the shooting...miserable.

Drop in on 9./JG 54 any time, we'll be experimenting with a thing that might take pick one or two of ya off   .

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2001, 02:09:00 AM »
S!

 Usually when seeing high Pony-D's our squad is getting on it's toes.It is 90% of the time 13th TAS.My wingie and I had a great fight against Baane and supposedly Voss,since he stayed higher and watched Baane attacking(master teaching apprentice? ).But still managed to down other of these gents and my wingie same guy 2nd time a bit later when these silverish beasts appeared again   <S> to Your fighting style 13th TAS,U really fly the P51 as it should.

   

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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2001, 02:20:00 AM »
StSanta:

But you WILL get a lot of comments from flying high in packs and disengaging when e states are nearing something that would mean that the enemy might possibly get a shot at ya. Now people know that you can fly from an advantage pretty well, and extend and because of the massive fuel capacity of the P-51, regrab and come back. What they know much less about is whether you're very good at co e, co alt fighting, or duking it out to the death of one of the engaged sides.


Well, I guess there's no pleasing anyone then. You described flying pretty good, but you obviously don't know the 13th. Generally, as a squad, we leave the area when we have 0k AGL or there are no enemies left. In pairs, or solo, the guys are just having fun.  

Personally, the few times I have seen LW planes are when I am 0k and egressing, or I catch them higher but they dive to 0k. Goes both ways.

Mostly, I see La7's, P-51's, and Nikis.

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2001, 07:56:00 AM »
Just one note guys.

It's not always a good idea to enter the furball with altitude.  I tend not to come in high... but for a different reason.  I will dive prior to icon range and turn my E into speed.  I'm still coming in with a substantial E advantage (hey, I fly a Jug) but I hide it as speed.  It is much more difficult for a bogey to gauge your E state based on speed than it is to judge it based on your altitude.  If you combine speed with lag or off-angle approaches, you can control closure rate and make it very difficult for the enemy to get a good read on your energy state.  This is why I try not to come into the furball high.  I want to be near the top, but not the highest, and I'm gonna sneak in with lots of speed and blast the first sucker that under-estimates my Jug.  Muhahaha.  

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