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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2002, 10:12:34 PM »
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If it was couple arabs who painted "F****g J**s" etc, all of you would be yelling to point it out as a proof of how horrible arabs really are.



How horrible I think they are is my opinion, not my right to see them put in jail for saying something.
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2002, 10:21:49 PM »
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moral relativism at its best.

If it was couple arabs who painted "F****g J**s" etc, all of you would be yelling to point it out as a proof of how horrible arabs really are.


Do me a favor and point out ANY post of mine that would lead you to reasonably believe I would do this.


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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2002, 10:30:06 PM »
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Supreme Court just decided a case for state for Virginia in which cross burning is not considered "harmless first ammendment expression" rather intimidation.
Falls in the same category.

miko, i agree with you. As for punishment, community service in black neighbourhood would do nicely.



I can't find a single reference to the Supreme Court having decided that case.  

I'd make an exception though.  Make burning the Flag of the U.S. a jailable offense and I'll agree with the cross burning thing too.
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2002, 10:50:18 PM »
Our higher learning at work LOL!!
I n this day and time we still jack with people over the color of there skin?
Hard to believe But the moron is among us all.
Yes I have used the N word and have felt like a total redneck dumbchit for doing so!
Yes I for One do think that the little boys and thats what they are!! should be held liable to the black students in question!
Its easy for us who are white to say that words dont mean much.
But try telling that to a black person whos family has been hearing the same old crap over and over!!
I would think its gets very old dont you?
And dont forget the message behind there little bit of art work.
HATE!!!! Ask your self how would you feel if you knew some people hated you having not even knowing you just cause your
of a different culture or race?
Ps.
If I was Pres of this great country the 1st thing i would do is ban the term african american!
Crap that sounds as silly as me saying im german jew dutch american LOL.
You live here you pay taxes your a citizene by gawd your an american!
Amen sermen over:p

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2002, 11:01:19 PM »
Just kick them out and make them pay for the damages.
Some comunity service in black neiborghs would be nice too.

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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2002, 02:39:57 AM »
They can be prosecuted under racial vilification laws here where they could be fined or jailed or both,  surely there is some type of equivalent law there.

I would think exspulsions' a gimme.

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2002, 03:03:32 AM »
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What about distress and mental anguish of the black students? It counts for nothing? Only college property loss?


Yup.

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2002, 03:30:01 AM »
Those students should be expelled and made to pay the damages.  There may be no law in Mississippi against what they did, other than vandalism.  They should be charged with that, at the very least.

Here in Alabama, I'm not so sure but that what they did could be prosecuted as an assault.  I know for a fact that flipping someone the "bird" is considered assault in Alabama, if done menacingly, and you can go to jail for it.  It happened to one of my friends.  He heard the police were looking for him, so he turned himself in.  He didn't get in a lot of trouble for it, but it is on his record, plus it cost him a $500.00 fine.  It came back to haunt him about a year later when he went to buy a new deer rifle, because the charge was assault, and the store almost didn't sell him the rifle, 'til they learned the "assault" only involved flipping someone the bird.

You better not flip this guy the bird now, because he'll call the police on you.  He has also mellowed out quite a bit since going through that.

Anyway, what these students did is much more serious.  They went into college dumb, and will come out that way too.


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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2002, 03:57:35 AM »
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Originally posted by fd ski
moral relativism at its best.

If it was couple arabs who painted "F****g J**s" etc, all of you would be yelling to point it out as a proof of how horrible arabs really are.


Not me.

As GtoRa2 (and I agreed) said before, the content is irrelevant, vandalism is the issue.

Arabs attacking Jews
Jews attacking Arabs
Black attacking Whites
Whites attacking Blacks
Christians attacking Muslims
Muslims attacking  Christians

What difference does it make? Who cares about the so called "message"?

All of us have a constitutional right to offend anyone we please (in speach). The Constitution allows you to say anything you want, but... it also allows everybody else to not listen to it.

In other words, we have a right to speak, but we have no right to be heard.

As a matter of fact, if someone whined to me "I was offended by what this guy said", my reaction would be: "why the hell did you listen to it"?

     "Mommy, he is looking at me"!


Back to the topic.

Punishing these guys for anything more than vandalism is a thought control.

So called "hate" crimes (as oppose to "love" crimes, I guess) are the best example PC going ape.

Note:
Having a right to do something does not imply an immediate exercise of it. We all have a right to be rude/nasty, but each one of us can choose or choose not to exercise it.

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2002, 04:07:35 AM »
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I know for a fact that flipping someone the "bird" is considered assault in Alabama, if done menacingly, and you can go to jail for it.  


you are surely joking (or at least I hope you are)

"If done menacingly"??? who the hell is going to decide that?

If this is true, we are so screwed.

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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2002, 04:13:21 AM »
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Originally posted by Leslie
Those students should be expelled ...



Well...???

If this is a private school and they have explicit rules what you can and can't do.... yes I agree. The school decides the punishment, but...


If this is a public place...  no "thought police" is allowed. Vandalism? yes. Anything more is a discrimination.

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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2002, 04:14:33 AM »
BTW, is University of Mississippi private or public entity?

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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2002, 04:46:06 AM »
Ummm, yoo-hoooooo.  The "vandals" in question are, ummm, Black(aka "African-Americans").  Not widely "reported" in the "un-biased" Leftist-Liberal Media...............

Nice attempt at inciting a riot and painting White students as "racist" .  Just a "harmless prank", though........

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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2002, 08:36:34 AM »
All vandalism is a "hate crime"..... it is, by it's nature, distressing to those vandalized.   I don't believe in special sentences for special groups based on skin color.  

make em pay damages and kick em out of school if that is the norm in cases of vandalism... as for communityu service in a black neiborhood.... no.   they should do it the same as anyone else... jump suits raking leaves in the park under guard or whatever.  

 You want to see "hate crimes" as they really are?  Tell the "blacks" that these guys will be working in their "neiborhood" unguarded.   Course that wouldn't be considered "hate" by our twisted interpretation these days... only whites can hate.
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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2002, 09:11:20 AM »
Tumor: Distress and mental anguish as a reason to put someone in jail.  Thats rich.
  So your saying that if I hurt your wittle feewings I should go to jail?


 Of course not. But a threat is a punisheable offence. When someone threatens a person, it is not treated as a free speech.
 If someone tells you "move out of this neighbourhood, I will hurt you", do you have any recourse or does the law have to wait untill you are really hurt?

 You may be inclined to take a threat more seriusly than a police officer and move out before your body becomes an evidence sufficient to prosecute.
 Offense would not make you act contrary to your interests and rights that but a threat would.
 There is no big difference in forcing someone to act against his/her will by violence or by a threat of it.

 So this was not a troll, mietla - I am all for a free speech but there is a distinction between a freedom of expression and using vocal/writing facilities of a body in committing a crime. Shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater is an old example.
 Threat, planning a criminal act, etc. are done verbally or in writing. But they are parts of a criminal act. Granted, sometimes the distinction seems blurry - in which case I would advocate with "Free Speech" rather that "punish them".

 BTW, both cross burning and the college case involved more than freedom of expression even for the 1st Amendment purists - they all included real invasions of private domain.
 The cross was burned on the black man's lawn - obviously without his permission. The messages were written on the victim's doors - which, while rented from the college, are somewhat "their". Makes a difference.
 When someone posts an offencive slogan on his property, like "Tumor, go away!" - fine, freedom of speech.
 When a neighbour's kid throws a ball/stone through your window, that's an innocent minor property damage to be paid by parents.
 When that someone wraps that offencive slogan and throws it through your, Tumor's window, it's not freedom of speech combined with minor property damage. That's a credible threat combined with invasion.



 The major goal of this post though was to check how many people would care enough to check out this un-reported story by themselves. Cabby.

 Those three perpetrators were black.
 There was a lot of racial disturbance on campus with all whities appologising and many blacks demanding the most strict criminal punishment for the perpetrators and mandatory sencitivity reeducation for faculty and students - untill the identity of the vandals was discovered.

 Of course now it's all down. Their only offence (besides scaring the victims and damaging property) seems to be trying to incite anti-white racial riots - maybe for that they should be forgiven the other two.

 It does seem to make sence to replace the term "hate crime" with "white crime".

 miko
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