Author Topic: wow cool tip for jabo people (Read 609 times)

Zigrat · « **on:** March 22, 2001, 10:26:00 PM »

i was testing aces high fm today with my spreadsheet and i found that when you are dirty with ordnance if you are using aces high default climb speed u are short changing yourslef climb performance

you hsould decrease your climb speed when dirty to get maximum roc, just like in real life

wtg on the fms htc

btw climb rates were accurate in dirty condition to 3%

I disagree with htc on many game issues, but their FMs are definitely top notch.

Sandman_SBM · « **Reply #1 on:** March 22, 2001, 10:35:00 PM »

How much of a decrease do you recommend?

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hblair · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2001, 01:12:00 AM »

Thanx fer the heads up zig. That oughta benefit jabo squads.

Xjazz · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2001, 01:33:00 AM »

I use before Auto climb but I find some strange behavior. Climb rate could suddenly change during climb.

Now I use only Auto angle. It very easy to adjust climb/dive rate with pitch trim.

I use The Force to find best climb rate ;-)

Xjazz

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2001, 02:01:00 AM »

Hey xjazz
the reason why your climbrate differs
is due to turbulence,,,sometimes you hit upwinds,,sometimes downwinds/windsheer,,,
I now this from when am flyin gliderplane
for real.

Xjazz · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2001, 02:34:00 AM »

Hi Dawvgrid,

Wow! RL gliderplane pilot! Im only VL pilot :-( Well, maby some day.

About AH Auto Climb: How you use it? If I remember right somebody say like that you should generally add more speed as you get higher all the time to keep max climb performance. For that purpose there is ".speed xxx" dot command to set speed.
Is it true?

Xjazz

Midnight · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2001, 03:08:00 AM »

You needed a chart to figure that out? Simple to do. Get 2 of the same AC. One loads with externals, the other does not. The heavy plane is slower to altitiude.

Either that or look at your ROC when clean verus dirty. Easy to see the difference

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straffo · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2001, 03:37:00 AM »

How can I get the optimal Climb Speed /Altitude chart for a plane ?

Is there a way to compute it or a place to get the chart I've understood the best climb speed is not the same at sea level and 10K for exemple.

Maniac · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2001, 03:49:00 AM »

Uh i feel stupid now

Can someone explain to me why i should not use 100% throttle on the climb out?

Regards.

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Xjazz · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2001, 04:56:00 AM »

Maniac:

I think question is generaly about speed (IAS at MIL/WEP throtle) vs climb angle at given alt to get optimum constant climb (feet/sec).
Wind drection, type of plane, damages and load(fuel, ordnance & ammo) effect to this best climb rate.

Xjazz

juzz · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2001, 05:13:00 AM »

"I use before Auto climb but I find some strange behavior. Climb rate could suddenly change during climb."

If you hold a constant climb speed, climb rate will change as the engine power changes(look at the performance charts on the help page to see what I mean). It could also be due to wind layers, but I don't think wind is turned on in the MA?

"You needed a chart to figure that out? Simple to do. Get 2 of the same AC. One loads with externals, the other does not. The heavy plane is slower to altitiude.
Either that or look at your ROC when clean verus dirty. Easy to see the difference"

Uhm, what he noticed was that the best speed for climbing when you are carrying ordinance is lower than the default speed, which is the best climb speed for a clean aircraft. Ie: with bombs on, you actually gain some climbrate if you fly slower than the default climb speed, just like you would in Real Life™.

"Can someone explain to me why i should not use 100% throttle on the climb out?"

Uhm, you should use 100%(not WEP, save it for combat)! Unless you want to climb slower for some unknown reason...

The whole point is that if the best climb speed for a clean a/c is say; 160mph IAS, then with bombs on the best climb speed might be 150mph IAS, ie: lower.

Then again, there are some planes like the Yak-9U which has very close climbrates at any speed from 100mph to 200mph IAS.

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2001, 07:27:00 AM »

I believe the wind is turned on in MA.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2001, 07:35:00 AM »

Ya, discovered this several months ago testing offline while timing arrive times for mixed flights on one of our redflag missions.

F4U-1D seems to do best by (from memory) 1 min.5 sec over a 25 mile scale from 0 feet to 10k at a climbspeed of 165-170 (dirty).

[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-23-2001).]

Gremlin · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2001, 07:35:00 AM »

Maniac,

You should use 100% all of the time. I think what zig is saying is that if you use the default autoclimb speed you will not get the best ROC. Use the .speed command to find the autoclimb speed which gives you the best ROC or use the autoangle to achieve the same effect.

Nice one Zig!

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Gremlin - 56th "Firebirds" Squadron RAF

<sry> didnt read the end of 'juzz' last post already answered this.

[This message has been edited by Gremlin (edited 03-23-2001).]

Maniac · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2001, 07:47:00 AM »

CC got an bit confused, i have always used "trim on angle" and djust hit 100%...

Thx guys.

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Author Topic: wow cool tip for jabo people (Read 609 times)

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