Author Topic: funked, skuzy , i need Ati 9700 help plz (Read 771 times)

minus · « **on:** December 21, 2002, 11:53:42 AM »

damit , not realy hapy right now, instaled new XP 2400 upgradet to 1 go of PC2700 ddr and the newwwwwww ATi 9700 pro and what ??? the frekin thing refuse to turn games if it turn then only fiew minutes and after CTD or REBOT, #%$@#%#:mad:

what a hell is wrong ? instaled catalist 3.0 driver they sugest instal first DX9 i did , and crap no way , frekin thing $#@%#%

funked , or skuzy dont remeber whysh of u have this card ani tips ?

Octavius · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2002, 01:36:20 PM »

It runs only for a few minutes and crashes? Sounds like a heating issue. Have you overclocked the ram or the card itself?

minus · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2002, 02:50:25 PM »

no, not owerclocked , , actualy down clocked the damn thing othervise it will even not load,, but i suspect my power suply, MSI PC alert show dance up and down , seems it realy need more power like a 350w enermax

SunKing · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2002, 04:37:33 PM »

one word..... gigabyte baddddddd .Heard to many horror stories with these guys. any board that wasn't revsion 2.0 or hgher had serious problems .So I choose the Albatron Mobo and I'm running flawless.

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2002, 08:31:15 PM »

Skuzzy has it. I'm still in the Geforce stone age.
Good luck buddy.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2002, 07:23:53 AM »

Couple of things.

You power supply is not going to cut it. That AMD alone is worth getting a 400W supply. I would say you probably would do well with about 430-470W, depening on the power supply rail alottment.

The 9700Pro is very power hungry. The combination of the two things you just did is causing your supply to crowbar, I suspect.

Also, check the motherboard WEB site for a BIOS upgrade. Seems I recall those mobos needing one.

I do hope you have plenty of cooling in that rig. Power and heat seem to be the problems most AMD users have with the 9700Pro.

lucull · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2002, 08:34:46 AM »

1. It's not unusual that graphic cards which need a lot of power overload the power supply of the AGP port on the board. I had this and 2 friends of mine as well.

2. Some Enermax power supplies have a problem with the 5V and 3.3V line. You can check this by a hardware monitor programm (you said that before). Get it to your favorite dealer, sometimes a recalibration works.

3. Everything installed correctly (hardware)? Heat-conductive paste applied correctly? Correct cpu cooling? Graphics card correctly in the AGP slot?

Good luck!

p.s. I don't think that the problem is a lack of power in general. IMO every "normal" PC up to P4 3 GHz should run fine with 350W power supply.

Edit: Read this comparison of 21 power supplies. Very interesting.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2002, 09:53:48 AM »

lucull,...the Northwood P4's and later Intel chips consume far less power than the AMD counterparts do.
If he was running an Intel P4, he probably would be ok, but on the hairy edge of being ok.

Also, the 9700Pro consumes in the neighborhood of 50-55W on its own. This is why the secondary power connector is needed as the maximum power the AGP bus can supply is limited to 48W, in a best case motherboard design.

Heat is also suspect here. The 9700Pro GPU runs at about 130F, in static conditions and upwards to 150F when being really pushed. You could end up with some cascade heat related crashes pretty easily.

I should think the Antec 430W Tru-power supply would be enough and it has the rail loads placed favorably for this configuration.

On heat, you just have to make sure you have ample cooling and good air movement around the 9700Pro and CPU.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2002, 09:55:59 AM »

I should add, that while the 9700Pro consumes a lot of power and has been the source of complaints due to this, the NV30 from NVidia uses even more power.

Guy thinking of these high end boards might as well resolve themselves to the fact they may need more power supply and better cooling solutions, especially if you use AMD.

Toad · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2002, 10:44:30 AM »

Skuzzy,

Any reason why I shouldn't hook that 9500 Pro you suggested and which is now wrapped under the tree to its own power supply?

I just rebuilt a computer for the son's chosen woman and had to put a new PS in that. I have a workable 100W PS from that project just sitting around. I could sit it outside the case and run the plug in.

Any reason not to do that?

minus · « **Reply #10 on:** December 22, 2002, 11:44:09 AM »

finaly stabilized the system , unpluget all DVD RW, DVD , DVB-s and PWR mpg 2 boards ,and ! downrated the DDR2700 to 2100 mean 266 speed , it works , fine got plenty of frame rate in any game even all option on max , even WW2ol who realy sux is smoth like never before,

upgrading after x max to Colance water coling and Antec 480 W < 180 euro , ouch:eek: > power , and then will see , thx to every one for the tips:)

lucull · « **Reply #11 on:** December 22, 2002, 11:49:13 AM »

Read this skuzzy. It changed my mind, too.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #12 on:** December 22, 2002, 02:16:51 PM »

Toad, you can do that as long as you have common ground between the power supplies. This is important to keep ground loops from occurring which could exacerbate the problem.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #13 on:** December 22, 2002, 02:19:39 PM »

lucull,..not sure what you are talking about.

SunKing · « **Reply #14 on:** December 22, 2002, 02:40:17 PM »

Heres my story.. Got the 9700 .. runnging a 350wt power supply.. I can run any other game all day long ie Bf192 on high graphics. AH crashes constantly. Sound hardware down to lowest tick mark.. Still happens. running out of ideas.