Author Topic: 190D9 radiator/oil (Read 976 times)

MANDOBLE · « **on:** December 22, 2002, 06:25:17 AM »

Seems that everything hitting my D9 from 6 o'clock kills my radiator with a single ping (no matter if 50" or guns) and then I have only about 10-15 seconds before engine stops. In the other hand, I rarely have oil system damage, but when I have, oil tank empties extremely quickly, twice as fast as a La7. What was the oil capacity of 190D9, and what the La7 capacity?

HiTech should look at this.

Urchin · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2002, 08:26:04 AM »

Think the oil drains at different rates depending on what caused the leak. Actually, I'm just about 99% positive it does.

I've never noticed a propensity towards oil/radiator hits in the Dora myself, as far as them coming from 'dead 6'. You may also want to remember that even though the radiator is mounted in the nose, it is possible to hit the nose from behind if you are slightly below or above your target.

Kevin14 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2002, 01:47:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
...it is possible to hit the nose from behind if you are slightly below or above your target.

Must be some very very good shots out there then

hazed- · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2002, 01:58:27 PM »

Whilst i agreed there WAS a radiator hit bug before with the other 190s I cant say ive noticed any tendancy toward oil damage on the 190D9

As for getting shot in the engine from 6oc I have to say a lot of my kills are aquired by flying under an aircraft and firing at the fuselage but AHEAD of the aircraft.They usually fly right into the bullet stream which often means hiting the engine and prop first.Usually i continue to fire as i climb back up above their 6oc position.
For the pilot whos shot they would hear pings , look back and see me seemingly passing their 6oc position whereas the shots that hit were firedwell out of a dead 6 position.

I think this happens quite a lot if you, like me, often try to lead shoot manouvering enemies.

best thing to do though is IF you still think somethings wrong do some tests with a friend.Get them to fly level and try shooting from dead 6'oc see if the engine is hit too often.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2002, 04:44:55 PM »

Nah I think it's AH damage model where bullets seem to fly thru the whole plane.

It's very comon agains canon planes when I HO them to loose elevator with no other plane damage, expecially against N1K1.

As far as the oil leack, I also noticed that when hit by canons my oil leacks faster, and same for pilot wounds, you die faster. May be a coincidence, just my observation.

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2002, 05:26:31 PM »

Mandoble is absolutly right.
Its the same for me. in near allmost every case a s shot from dead 6 kills my radiator.
I complained about this couple weeks ago and no reaction so far.

But we all know HT inventet the wonder JFK majic .50cal bullet.

Wilbus · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2002, 08:00:52 PM »

Both the Dora and Ta152 suffers from it.

Ta152 have a few more weird issues (Dora has them too but it had less armor)

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it is possible to hit the nose from behind if you are slightly below or above your target.

Urchin, not really, not the way the radiator is mounted thanks to the size of it. The Size of the radiator (in diameter) is smaller then the front of the engine and is placed directly infront of the engine, thus, you will need a quite big high or low angle to succeed in getting a hit on it from anywhere behind.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 23, 2002, 12:45:27 AM »

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I have read a story of a p38 flying through the forest cutting acres of trees down and building a log cabin with custom furniture then flying 100 miles and killing 100 fws."

Funniest sig ever.

GScholz · « **Reply #8 on:** December 25, 2002, 05:01:04 AM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
Whilst i agreed there WAS a radiator hit bug before with the other 190s I cant say ive noticed any tendancy toward oil damage on the 190D9.

Eh ... the other 190s didn't have a radiator, did they? They had air-cooled radial BMW engines.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #9 on:** December 25, 2002, 06:01:55 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Eh ... the other 190s didn't have a radiator, did they? They had air-cooled radial BMW engines.

The Antons had an oil radiator in the nose ring. The Doras had both the oil and coolant radiator in the nose.

SpinDoc1 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 25, 2002, 11:06:53 AM »

One quick side note... Just because you hear one ping doesn't mean that is all that hit you. In AH, the way packets are transferred over the net, you may hear 5 pings or 1 ping, depending on net status, connections, lag, all that. Multiple impacts in a short time may not be truly represented. Just a though, doesn't always happen this way.

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 25, 2002, 02:37:35 PM »

Yes but NOTHING can hit the radiator of the D9 from dead 6.
Thats the point. There is to much in between the tail and the nose.
I am only confirming that the radiator death in the D9 comes pretty often from dead6 shots.

Wilbus · « **Reply #12 on:** December 25, 2002, 08:07:02 PM »

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One quick side note... Just because you hear one ping doesn't mean that is all that hit you. In AH, the way packets are transferred over the net, you may hear 5 pings or 1 ping, depending on net status, connections, lag, all that. Multiple impacts in a short time may not be truly represented. Just a though, doesn't always happen this way.

The radiator can't possibly in any way get hit from behind. It's located DIRECTLY infront of the engine and its Diameter is smaller then that of the engine so it's completely safe from 6 o'clock shots. To get it from behind you need a very high angle from bellow/above or from the sides, meaning that you have to come down/up on him. Same thing with the Ta152 but the Ta152 had much more armor around the radiator. The Dora had alot, enough to protect from most guns bellow 20mm.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #13 on:** December 26, 2002, 06:43:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
The radiator can't possibly in any way get hit from behind. It's located DIRECTLY infront of the engine and its Diameter is smaller then that of the engine so it's completely safe from 6 o'clock shots. To get it from behind you need a very high angle from bellow/above or from the sides, meaning that you have to come down/up on him. Same thing with the Ta152 but the Ta152 had much more armor around the radiator. The Dora had alot, enough to protect from most guns bellow 20mm.

Look at any sectional drawing or the Champlain engine/radiator display and it can be seen that the radiator is larger in dia. than the motor. From the rear, no armour on the D-9 and Ta152 specifically for the radiator.

batdog · « **Reply #14 on:** December 26, 2002, 06:49:06 AM »

Okay...this is not a flame..or anything else beyond me maybe seeing why you get nailed from behind like this sometimes.

The Dora is "narrow" in the rear and "wide" in the front correct?
Okay... a WING MOUNTED cannon/MG would be firing to a convergence point correct? This point is at an angle. This angle when fired at ANY plane could possiably lead to engine hits from a seemingly dead 6 postion?

xBAT