Author Topic: 190D9 radiator/oil (Read 950 times)

Wilbus · « **Reply #15 on:** December 26, 2002, 08:05:13 AM »

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Look at any sectional drawing or the Champlain engine/radiator display and it can be seen that the radiator is larger in dia. than the motor. From the rear, no armour on the D-9 and Ta152 specifically for the radiator.

Don't have my notes here so can't remember exact diameter of the radiator.

you are so wrong about the armor though, both the Dora and and the Ta152 had an armored ring around the front of the engine, specially made to protect from HO shots (which is basicly non existent in AH). The reason it doesn't have any armor to prtect from rear shots is that it's got an engine there. What really sticks out are the radiator flaps, not the actual radiator.

Wilbus · « **Reply #16 on:** December 26, 2002, 08:05:47 AM »

Batdog, not enough angle.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #17 on:** December 26, 2002, 09:51:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Don't have my notes here so can't remember exact diameter of the radiator.

you are so wrong about the armor though, both the Dora and and the Ta152 had an armored ring around the front of the engine, specially made to protect from HO shots (which is basicly non existent in AH). The reason it doesn't have any armor to prtect from rear shots is that it's got an engine there. What really sticks out are the radiator flaps, not the actual radiator.

Did I say anything about from the front of the radiator???

As for the diameter, better check your notes, for the radiator is larger in diameter. In fact, it is possible for bullets to richochet off the engine and damage the radiator.

Wilbus · « **Reply #18 on:** December 26, 2002, 10:35:29 AM »

The actual ring covers both the front and from side/above/below shots.

Do you have the exact diameter for it?

fats · « **Reply #19 on:** December 26, 2002, 12:36:06 PM »

Plane X with them evil wing guns is directly behind a pink Fw 190D-9. Due to convergence the bullets are able to hit the oil ring in front of the engine.

// fats

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #20 on:** December 26, 2002, 02:20:50 PM »

Yeah fats, 1000 yards and spraying, just at convergence, right?

Kerago · « **Reply #21 on:** December 26, 2002, 05:27:52 PM »

Most of you seem to be ignoring Hazed's point...how many of these "dead 6 attacks" hitting the radiator are actually slashing attacks from above or below with a bullet path in front of the aircraft?

If you are in a 190, you are also unlikely to be flying straight and level...if you know you have a target on your tail you will likely be in a scissors, opening up passing shots on the nose as the scissors close.

Wilbus · « **Reply #22 on:** December 26, 2002, 06:19:02 PM »

We're not talking about scissor fights here, we're talking about dead 6 shots that often happen from 800 yards and down while you're extending away from a target. I know, I've had it happen to me alot and I've also done it to 190's who have passed me.

Another nice thing is how the Ta152 oil suply/cooler can get hit from the left/front or front at all for that matter while it is located on the right side far back on the engine (basicly the whole engine as cover).

DM in AH is OLD, it needs updating and it needs to get detailed.

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 26, 2002, 07:20:10 PM »

Wibluz is right. I am flying the D9 as my main ride in the MA.
But these radiator toejam is really killing the fun. If ur oil i hit u can fly 25 miles but with ur radiator u are allmost dead.

hazed- · « **Reply #24 on:** December 26, 2002, 08:52:43 PM »

one other point id like to add is the fact that we see coolant or oil/smoke with the damage indicator saying 'radiator' or 'engine' doesnt necessarily mean the actual radiator was hit.

As far as i can work out HTC has made areas around engines that are there to represent the pipes and feeding tubes etc for the radiator or oil supply.

Ive seen dozens of referances to the 190A's having lots of oil lines all around the engine.If this is the case it does point to the possibility of frequent oil damage.If a feeder pipe is holed or damaged you will lose oil just as fast as a hole in the radiator or oil supply container.

There are also lots of allied pilot references to 109s and 190s leaking the famous white glycol smoke which gave allied pilots the knowledge that they had hit the cooling system.

The problem is we really dont 'know' if the engines on 190s were more or less prone to engine hits/damage on than any other aircraft but unfortunately, without proving it isnt possible nothing will be changed.How do you prove something when you cannot tell whats happeneing in the flight model/ballistics model?

you cant can you.

I'll certainly take a bit more notice of the dora damage for a while just to see if you could be right but like i said I really havent had the same 'feeling' about the dora as i had about the 190a8 and others before the oil damage bug was fixed a while back.

JB73 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 27, 2002, 01:37:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Kerago
Most of you seem to be ignoring Hazed's point...how many of these "dead 6 attacks" hitting the radiator are actually slashing attacks from above or below with a bullet path in front of the aircraft?

If you are in a 190, you are also unlikely to be flying straight and level...if you know you have a target on your tail you will likely be in a scissors, opening up passing shots on the nose as the scissors close.

well ill add this ....
numerous times i was running on the deck from a outnumbered fight. enemies about d500 and falling back level and on the deck also. usually spits and n1k2's. they realize that i will lose them and spray and pray. sure enough "whap" radiator damaged

oh well my 2¢

Kerago · « **Reply #26 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:19:42 PM »

Ok, enough of you seem to be experiencing this that I won't contradict you, point retracted.