P-38 is enabled for Luftwaffe at A10

[Widewing]

I had to kill a few of them. Please fix this.

Also, why do Germans have carriers? Despite having no aircraft, they are floating ack barges.

Secondly, Germans and Italian warships were nowhere to be found in the Med, anywhere near North Africa during Operation Torch. They should not have task forces whatsoever. A few Destoyers sortied here and there, and were usually hammered for their efforts.

Currently, the P-40B is enabled. There were no P-40Bs or Tomahawks in frontline service by 1943. The USAAF operated P-40Es, Fs and Ks in North Africa. RAF units operated various models of the Kittyhawk (Mk.I, II and III) Please rectify this.

One final point: Both the Spitfire Mk.IX and the Bf 109G-2 served in North Africa. In the case of the Spitfire, it replaced the aging Mk.VB of 244 Wing.

We don't have a P-38F, but these were also highly active in North Africa. Using the P-38L would be overkill.

My regards,

Widewing

[brady]

"I had to kill a few of them. Please fix this."

 Sry I missed it during the set up a few got by me I caught the P47, but I mised this one sry.

"Also, why do Germans have carriers? Despite having no aircraft, they are floating ack barges."

 Well NUTTZ missed it when I said the Germans did not have CV's and he included it in the map anyway, the reasion they are in play is to give the Axis somthing to kill the Alied CV's with while not historical their fun, and the ships realy dont impact gameplay that much since most all the bases are not close enough to the water for this to be an issue.

"Secondly, Germans and Italian warships were nowhere to be found in the Med, anywhere near North Africa during Operation Torch. They should not have task forces whatsoever. A few Destoyers sortied here and there, and were usually hammered for their efforts."

 See above.

"Currently, the P-40B is enabled. There were no P-40Bs or Tomahawks in frontline service by 1943. The USAAF operated P-40Es, Fs and Ks in North Africa. RAF units operated various models of the Kittyhawk (Mk.I, II and III) Please rectify this."

 Sabre was trying to effect a balanced plane set and I beleave he felt the P40b would not hurt to add and might be enjoyed by a few people, this is not a truly historical plane set as the motd states.

"One final point: Both the Spitfire Mk.IX and the Bf 109G-2 served in North Africa. In the case of the Spitfire, it replaced the aging Mk.VB of 244 Wing. "

 The plane set was fashioned as stated in the motd to be a balanced one, sabre did not want to get into the issues of haveing to limit the spit IX since it was not to available while having the G-2 universaly available for the Germans. Once again the Motd states the reasion for this.


"We don't have a P-38F, but these were also highly active in North Africa. Using the P-38L would be overkill."

 The P38 is a mistake, it will be removed.

 

 The MOTD is their for a resion.

[Wotan]

The spit IX arrived in NA Feb. 43 with number 72. They were limited and flew in a mixed formation of VB and IXs.

on 3 March............ Oblt Bühligen downed one of 24 Spitfires escorting B-25s to Mateur. This turned out to be a Spitfire IX of 81 Sqdn, and it was the first of its type to be shot down in this theatre.

And why you arte going about planes the 1 plane that had a huge impact on the Airwar in NA was the 190. We have the A5 and certainly there were a5s in NA at this time but the majority were a3 and a4s. The perdormance difference between the a3 a4 a5 is minimal and the a3 could accellerate and climb better the the a5. 190s arrived in NA in November 1942.

9 Feb '43 II./JG 2 Gruppenkommandeur Rudorffer's own account of the action:

"It was south of Tunis, about 180 kilometres. We got word - we were based at Kairouan - that bombers and fighters were on the way (B-17s of the 301st BG and P-38s of the 1st FG). One Staffel was already sitting in their aircraft and I ordered them off. I was always last to take off and waited to get the latest information on the enemy's course and speed. Then I took off with my Schwarm of four and we assembled with the others in the air and headed for the "dicke Autos und Indianer". They were coming from the west, about 24 B-17s, 18 P-40s, 20 P-38s and a similar number of Spitfires - some of them may have been Hurricanes because when the dogfight began I thought I saw some Hurricanes also. We were at about 7000 metres and the bombers were below us, the P-40s above.
When we started for the bombers the Curtiss fighters came down on us and that's when the dogfight began. After a time the P-40s, which were not as fast as us, went into a 'Luftbery' circle and I began to slip in from low and high and shoot them donw. I managed to shoot down six in about seven minutes. As I recall the combat report, I got one at 1359 and the last at 1406. By that time the fight had broken up and everyone had scattered. Then I saw somw P-38s strafing below us, and though I had only about four FW 190s with me at this time, I went down at them and surprised them. I got one coming from above and then went up again and came down on another and shot him down. That gave me eight for the day - I remember it because it was one of the best days I ever had."

Review of the FW 190’s Performance in North Africa
II./JG 2 was the premier Luftwaffe FW 190 unit in North Africa, and its combat record in the theatre proves this. During its four month stint in Tunisia, the Gruppe recorded more than 170 victories, for the loss of very few pilots in return. However, the importance of II./JG 2 to the Axis cause can't be measured in statistics alone. The mere appearance of FW 190 fighters in North Africa caused much disruption to the Allied air forces. Not expecting to face this formidable opponent, RAF fighter squadrons of the Desert Air Force had low priority for recieving the new Spitfire IX, and for this reason, II./JG 2 was able to maintain a certain superiority over the old Spitfire Vs it encountered. Only towards the end of its desert sojourn did II./JG 2 face the superior Spitfire IX. Other opponents, especially the Curtiss P-40s and Bell P-39s, were scarcely able to match the FW 190, and although the Lockheed P-38 could match the German type on paper, the USAAF pilots were ‘green’, and suffered accordingly at the hands of the more experienced Luftwaffe pilots

http://www.geocities.com/bookie190/Afrika.htm

Also the 190s in NA flew the majority of jabo missions in the theater.

So spit 9s were limited in NA due to the Theater being a low priority and there were no p38ls the allies planeset seems ok. They left out the g2 for gameply balance which one could agree with.

But no fw 190 in NA well that just blasphemy.

You want a cause, get the 190 added. The rest is trivial

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

the ships realy dont impact gameplay

Shoulda been there last night...wow what a furballing PTO with 109s and 110s instead of Zeros.!!!

[brady]

Wotan is bang of course, howeaver If the 190 were added it would be a case for adding the Spit IX to counter it and then we have playbalance issues, this plane set as sabre stated is one that strives for balance, curently I beleave it is balanced and it should be left as such.

 The ship's effect game play in that they are mobile Airfields of course, howeaver a big complaint that the ships have are that they get parked off the base withen death star ack range which is only posable on one or two fields on this whole map, that is what I ment Hawk.

[Kweassa]

How about we just add the Fw190 and not add the Spit9?

 You know, give the Allied guys a taste of their own medicine.. revenge of the PAC setups... sort of thingy... hehehehe (joking )

[Löwe]

This is a cool setup the way it is. I've flown both sides, and the 109F is outstanding. I don't usually fly RAF planes, so I don't have any comment what versions of the Spit or Hurri are available. The P-40E has a pretty good chance if you fly smart against the 109F.
If you add the FW-190A5, the P-40E is dog meat period. However then we could argue to have the P-47D11 added. Or we could all just fly this setup the way it is. Personally Brady I like it, leave it alone.

[Odee]

I agree with Lowe on this one. The 109-F is more than a match for what is already in there if flown properly. Indeed, the 109-E can hold it's own pretty well too.

However (hehe knew I had to do that eh?) the addition of the 205 would greatly enhance the 'historical' feel of this run, imho.
Now to the thread...

Take off from CV's?  For that fact, captured P-38's were used in a very VERY limited fashion in Tunisia by the Axis.  But that is just a historical side note.

Now FIX the DITCH bug at A10 please!  I had a 6 kill run that I "landed on the fargging runway and upon exiting the plane, it said I fargging DITCHED?!?!?!  WTF, over?  And YES I was ON the runway when I exited!  

While you're in there fixing bugs... How about the one where ENEMY C-47 drops supplies on a base you happen to be taking with GV's.  Coolest of cools. a little tab pops up and you can re-supply/repair all damage to your vehicle and continue the fight as if you spawned at the ENEMY field.  Neat bug to abuse eh?

[Warsun]

Originally posted by Löwe
The P-40E has a pretty good chance if you fly smart against the 109F.
 

Except we don't have the P-40E.

[Odee]

Originally posted by Warsun
Except we don't have the P-40E.

oh yes you DoOoo....!

T'would be a far, Far, FAR better thing to have the P-40-E than the Spitoon-9 IMO.  Then the 190 would be countered quite nicely, I should imagine.