Christians, doesn't it annoy you...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by mrfish
tell that to the store owner- or the doomed toy that gets tortured forever because he couldn't correct his maker's flaw fast enough.

we don't have anything to do with god's plan, he knew the outcome of his plan before any of us were in existence. why would he 'need' us for anything?

i wouldn't want to hang out with god at the after-show party anyway. i can't imagine sitting there sipping hot toddies while he walks around with a turtleneck recapping some of his more clever acheivements- all kinds of chicks from alabama with 8.5 lbs of makeup and that alert look hanging on his arm. yek

all the while there'd be all these good people whose only sin was not falling down on their faces and begging god to forgive their trivial sins burning for eternity somewhere.

i could never get that out of my mind or enjoy my afterlife knowing that such a total miscarriage of justice went down. i sure wouldn't want to hang with the entity that couldn't make a better plan than that and seems pretty stuck on himself to boot.

oh well-

Unfortunately for you MrFish there won't be a jury around to be incensed by the total injustice of it all when you give account for your life, only one judge.

[Apache]

Originally posted by mrfish
tell that to the store owner- or the doomed toy that gets tortured forever because he couldn't correct his maker's flaw fast enough.

we don't have anything to do with god's plan, he knew the outcome of his plan before any of us were in existence. why would he 'need' us for anything?

i wouldn't want to hang out with god at the after-show party anyway. i can't imagine sitting there sipping hot toddies while he walks around with a turtleneck recapping some of his more clever acheivements- all kinds of chicks from alabama with 8.5 lbs of makeup and that alert look hanging on his arm. yek

all the while there'd be all these good people whose only sin was not falling down on their faces and begging god to forgive their trivial sins burning for eternity somewhere.

i could never get that out of my mind or enjoy my afterlife knowing that such a total miscarriage of justice went down. i sure wouldn't want to hang with the entity that couldn't make a better plan than that and seems pretty stuck on himself to boot.

oh well-

For someone who, "read and studied the bible", your total and complete lack of knowledge and understanding is astounding.

[mrfish]

in what way?

[Vulcan]

OK heres a scenario for you:

Bob lives on an Island called Boogalooga with his tribe in the middle of the Pacific. He has lived there all his life. They have never had contact with Christians, and the Boogaloogan's worship several deities, including a fish god, rain god, and earth god.

Bob leads a good life, worships his gods, including making fish god idols etc.

Bob dies.

What happens when Bob fronts up at the Pearly gates?

[funkedup]

Bob is screwed.
Why do you think there are Christian missionaries flying all over the world to places like Boogalooga?

[myelo]

Originally posted by Kieran
No, it isn't. Your perfect knowledge let you know ahead of time what the coin flip would be; it didn't predetermine the outcome.

I believe it does, as I tried to show. But I don't know any better way to explain it so I suspect we'll just have to disagree on this one.

[mrfish]

Originally posted by funkedup
Bob is screwed.
Why do you think there are Christian missionaries flying all over the world to places like Boogalooga?

uh-oh, well let's hope they hurry and get bob to apologize for making statues before he slips on a rock and has to spend eternity writhing in a lake of fire.

further- since there is no christ in bob's country, it is probably a dangerous place with 11,000 gun murders per year and endless reality tv shows. i doubt it could ever be peaceful like a good christian home like america. what a frightening country bob must live in.

[Arfann]

Originally posted by funkedup
Bob is screwed.
Why do you think there are Christian missionaries flying all over the world to places like Boogalooga?

Obviously to bring all the heathens to Christ. Or kill them or have their way with their women or pass along exotic diseases they have no antibodies for. Or to gather them up and send 'em back home as cheap/free labor. Or keep them in place to help us pillage their natural resources. In the name of God, of course.

GronK

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Vulcan
OK heres a scenario for you:

Bob lives on an Island called Boogalooga with his tribe in the middle of the Pacific. He has lived there all his life. They have never had contact with Christians, and the Boogaloogan's worship several deities, including a fish god, rain god, and earth god.

Bob leads a good life, worships his gods, including making fish god idols etc.

Bob dies.

What happens when Bob fronts up at the Pearly gates?

Bob will do the same thing in Heaven that he did on Earth- only instead of standing at the entrance to the cruise ship docks begging Americans for money he'll be standing at the entrance to the Pearly Gates begging Americans for money. Don't feel too bad for Bob, tho- he'll do better begging in Heaven than he ever did on Earth.

[funkedup]

Arfann you ever known any missionaries?
I know quite a few.  They are good people.  
They firmly believe that they are saving people from death and helping them obtain eternal life.  And they are so committed to helping people in this way that they give up prosperous careers in the US and volunteer to live in some of the worst toejamholes on the planet, often at the risk of imprisonment or more violent forms of persecution.  I can't think of anything more kind or selfless.
They would never do any of the things you mention.  If I didn't know better I might think you were an anti-christian bigot from your post.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

It would appear the Christian God only wants to save those who can hear the word of God (aka the bible).... if he created you too far from civilisation for you to hear the word...

Yer fukd.
-SW

[funkedup]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
It would appear the Christian God only wants to save those who can hear the word of God (aka the bible).... if he created you too far from civilisation for you to hear the word...

Yer fukd.
-SW

You have a point, but remember that believers are also compelled to spread the good news.  

Ironically the resulting evangelical activies are what so many people on this board complain about.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Problem is Funked... they spend a good amount of their time in a civilisation spreading the good word... when people know damn well where to find the good word...


Outside of civilisation's borders, in the boondocks of poo country... where the chances of hearing about the good word are slim to none is where these evangelists need to spend their time spreading the word.

Otherwise, they are simply a nuisance.
-SW

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Vulcan
OK heres a scenario for you:

Bob lives on an Island called Boogalooga with his tribe in the middle of the Pacific. He has lived there all his life. They have never had contact with Christians, and the Boogaloogan's worship several deities, including a fish god, rain god, and earth god.

Bob leads a good life, worships his gods, including making fish god idols etc.

Bob dies.

What happens when Bob fronts up at the Pearly gates?

I think there are several references in the bible that indicate a person is only responsible for what they know. However, God puts knowledge of himself in everyone. How they act based on that knowledge is how they will be judged.

[Kieran]

Gotta write a paper tonight... I will get back to this when I am through. AKIron laid the short of it down already, however. S!