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Offline OZkansas

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« on: December 29, 2002, 10:09:41 AM »
I understand that the UN inspectors are being thrown out of N Korea.  What is the UN doing to stop N Korea from violating UN resolutions?  How come the talk seems to be that the US must act to stop N Korea yet in Iraq the US dare not to act alone?  I am confused as to the UN role in stopping A-bomb proliferation.  Is it up to the American taxpayer to police the world or will the world back the UN?

This is a chance for countries like Germany and France and the rest of Europe to act and show just where they stand.  It's about time they provide some leadership in the world if they feel they should benefit from UN actions.  It's time to get off the sidelines and stop the carping and whining and act.  Will Europe get off its butt, I bet they won't!

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2002, 11:59:49 AM »
its a ploy to get more cash. we are overextended and cant fight them. and europe generaly thinks we have a mad man at the helm. like they are gonna help under thos circumstances.

p.s. it will take basicaly everything we have to win over them. and china wont let us. (an yea they can stop us easy) no win situation.


Bush cut off their oil they need power so they turned on a power plant. now they are evil ?   you are a republican no?

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2002, 12:16:06 PM »
Yeah, N. Korea can be trusted with a Nuclear Power Plant :rolleyes:

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2002, 01:29:18 PM »
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Bush cut off their oil they need power so they turned on a power plant. now they are evil ?   you are a republican no?


Why was the free fuel oil cut off?

From the BBC: "The Bush Administration confronted the North Koreans with new evidence that showed that they had broken their agreement of 1994 to freeze all nuclear-related activities."

Oh.. wait... it's all lies, conspiracy and black helicopters. I forgot.

The peace-loving people of North Korea have broken no agreements and have no nukes and no ongoing nuke weapons programs.

They are the beneficiaries of an incredibly successful political and economic system and are actually only starting up the reactor to supply electricity to their starving bretheren in South Korea.

BTW. there's quite a few Democratic Congressmen that are very concerned about the leader of these peace-loving peoples of North Korea and his non-existent nuke weapons program.

Gotta go... 'copters overhead.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2002, 01:32:32 PM »
Toad I'm sure you heard Bush is Hitler reincarnate and is trying to take over the world...  :D

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2002, 08:35:10 PM »
talkin to a wall dosen't appeal to me. but here goes

they already have nukes.

they aren't evil as your president says. (I wont claim him)

the deal was oil to support them till we built them new safe power plants,we didnt meet the deal we made so they started their power plants. its that simple " free oil my bellybutton "

the majority of the rest of the world thinks bush is and out of control idiot. they arent gona help us with the "make the  arms manufacturers rich war".

you acting all superior about it just confirms how out of touch you guys are.

this wont change your oppinion nothing will change a domatic fool but the future character assasination that is part and parcel to your typical arguments will hopefully be transparent to non brainwashed readers.

love and kisses.

ohh and i take it you are a republican, noticed you never got around to answering a direct question, go figgure.

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2002, 09:36:08 PM »
N Koreans are up to no good, I just watched "Die Another Day". But Halle Berry is so hot, yum yum chocolate...

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2002, 10:28:41 PM »
Towd,


Powell spoke on Meet the Press this morning:

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...What we found out, though, is that within a few years of agreeing to cap that program, the North Koreans began another program to enrich uranium. We discovered that over the last six or seven months. Our intelligence sources told us this was happening....

...In Brunei at the end of July, I asked to see the foreign minister of North Korea. We had a pleasant conversation. I told him that the United States wanted to engage with North Korea, we wanted to help them, we wanted to help their people, but we had to deal with these issues of proliferation and weapons of mass destruction. He understood that.
       
A few weeks later, we sent in Assistant Secretary Kelly, presented them with the evidence of this new capability, and they initially denied it and then they acknowledged it. So they acknowledge that they had violated the agreed framework and were putting in place another way of developing nuclear weapons...



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they acknowledge that they had violated the agreed framework and were putting in place another way of developing nuclear weapons


So we're just supposed to look the other way? THEY violated the agreement Towd, not us.

The North Koreans themselves admit they violated the agreement. YEARS AGO, THEY VIOLATED THE AGREEMENT. YEARS AGO.[/I]

Additionally, Japan and South Korea are part of the KEDO reactor building plan along with the US. They're also opposing North Korea's present actions and PAST violation of the '94 agreement.

The fuel oil was stopped when the North Koreans ADMITTED they had violated the '94 agreement YEARS AGO.

Now as to the "Republican" aspect:
 
Also from Meet The Press

Senator JOE BIDEN, (D-Del.)
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And so I think they’ve started off the correct way. I think going through the U.N., if we can get some solidarity here, is a way in which we can find a way out for the North Koreans and us without rewarding their bad behavior. And let me conclude by saying, you know, under international law-everybody forgets this—they’re entitled to have Yongbyon. They’re entitled to produce that plutonium. They’re not entitled to build nuclear weapons. They’re entitled to have that. And so they’re going to give up something. It seems to me one aspect of the agreed framework that should be able to be salvaged through the international community would be for them to cease and desist what is the clear, present and immediate danger, Yongbyon, and provide them fuel in the interim while we’re trying to work out and/or privately having a demarche saying, “If you do not, we will use force.” That’s on the table. But privately.


Bush's war? That's a DEMOCRAT talking war there.

And what did Mr. Clinton have to say about it?

From CNN online:

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..."We actually drew up plans to attack North Korea and to destroy their reactors and we told them we would attack unless they ended their nuclear program," Clinton told a security forum in the Dutch port city of Rotterdam Sunday.

...Commenting on the North Korean announcement, Clinton said the move made it imperative that Pyongyang be persuaded or forced to halt its weapons program.

"Make no mistake about it, it has to be ended," Clinton said.


Bush's war? That's a DEMOCRAT talking there.. and a former President that drew up plans for war with North Korea.


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this wont change your oppinion nothing will change a domatic fool but the future character assasination that is part and parcel to your typical arguments will hopefully be transparent to non brainwashed readers.


Better look in the mirror, chum.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2002, 11:24:13 PM »
...all parties involved have shown themselves to be deceptive, so what are you going to do? believe what you want to...

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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2002, 11:39:18 PM »
It's time to play Falcon 4.0 again... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2002, 12:21:22 AM »
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...all parties involved have shown themselves to be deceptive, so what are you going to do? believe what you want to...


I think I'll go with the guys that don't operate as a dictatorship and that don't starve their own populace.

Put me down on the list of folks that doesn't think North Korea having lots of nukes is a good idea. You know, that list with Clinton and Biden and Powell and Lieberman and Bush and the governments of Japan and South Korea and of course the Chinese who've said they don't want nukes anywhere on the Korean peninsula.

From CNN:

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Our position has always been to support the de-nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula," Zhang Qiyue, China's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said after North Korea's shock admission


But if you want to believe North Korea with lots of nukes, a dictator and a starving population is an OK thing... well, believe what you want too....
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2002, 01:27:34 AM »
Being of a conservative bent more then likely I would vote for Republican candidates and policies.

My question boils down to just what the UN is going to do about its inspectors being thrown out of  N Korea?  I am thinking that the timidity of the world, through the UN, will only inflate the boldness of the N Korean leadership.  A one-man dictatorship with nukes needs to be addressed at once.  But, the UN must do it as it is their inspectors and policies that have been trampled by the N Koreans!

Here I think the world will dump yet another problem on US leadership and dump additional financial burdens on the US taxpayers.  I for one am getting very angry at having to nurse maid the world.  The world dumps everything on the US and then sits on the sidelines telling the US how badly they are handling the situation.  Give me a break!!

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2002, 01:42:09 AM »
i'm getting angry@paying taxes to bu||shit artists

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2002, 01:49:11 AM »
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i'm getting angry@paying taxes to bu||shit artists


I think you'll have to take a number.  

The line started in 1913 I believe, and has continued unbroken down to this very day.

In true IRS fashion, I think they are still working on the guy with number 55 right now... so we'll all be in line a while longer.

Enjoy!
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2002, 07:42:30 AM »
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My question boils down to just what the UN is going to do about its inspectors being thrown out of  N Korea?  I am thinking that the timidity of the world, through the UN, will only inflate the boldness of the N Korean leadership.  A one-man dictatorship with nukes needs to be addressed at once.  But, the UN must do it as it is their inspectors and policies that have been trampled by the N Koreans!

Here I think the world will dump yet another problem on US leadership and dump additional financial burdens on the US taxpayers.  I for one am getting very angry at having to nurse maid the world.  The world dumps everything on the US and then sits on the sidelines telling the US how badly they are handling the situation.  Give me a break!!


Agreed....The UN wont do ANYTHING.....
They will wait on the US to make the first move then every single memeber will come out of the woodwork and critisize the American unilateral plan.

Better yet.. What will China do about it?
Does China really want nukes in North Korean hands? After all if China is the next super power why cant they act like it.

Its funny how the new president of S.Korea suddenly likes US troops being stationed in his country when he ran on a platform of not bending to the US will.  How much money could we save the American tax payer if we pulled out of Korea and let them defend themselves. They have the 13th largest economy in the world spend some of it.