Fighter stats for Tour 23 (Pyro, please adjust ENY values)

[Karnak]

Top 10 Killers of Tour 23:
Spitfire Mk IX: 7.84% of kills
N1K2-J Shiden-Kai: 7.15% of kills
P-51D Mustang: 6.45% of kills
La-7: 6.10% of kills
Spitfire Mk V: 4.78% of kills
F6F-5 Hellcat: 4.14% of kills
P-38L Lightning: 4.05% of kills
Typhoon Mk Ib: 3.47% of kills
F4U-1D Corsair: 2.90% of kills
Bf109G-10: 2.83% of kills

Top 10 Kill / Death ratios, excluding perks, of Tour 23:
Fw190D-9: 1.50 / 1
Fw190A-5: 1.45 / 1
La-7: 1.40 / 1
Yak-9U: 1.29 / 1
Hurricane Mk IIc: 1.282 / 1
N1K2-J Shiden-Kai: 1.279 / 1
Bf109G-10: 1.27 / 1
Typhoon Mk Ib: 1.17 / 1
Spitfire Mk Vb: 1.13 / 1
P-47D-11 Thunderbolt: 1.05 / 1

Top 10 targets of Tour 23:
Spitfire Mk IX: 29,391 deaths
P-51D Mustang: 25,311 deaths
N1K2-J Shiden-Kai: 20,503 deaths
P-38L Lightning: 17,967 deaths
F6F-5 Hellcat: 17,152 deaths
La-7: 15,972 deaths
Spitfire Mk Vb: 15,569 deaths
F4U-1D Corsair: 13,858 deaths
Typhoon Mk Ib: 10,838 deaths
A6M5b Zero-Sen: 9,676 deaths


I think these numbers show an arena that is much more balanced at the top end.  You'll remember the Tours where the F4U-1C had twice as many kills as the N1K2 and Spit IX, and those two had twice as many kills as the fighter below them.  In Tour 23 the fighter in 8th place for total kills, the Tiffie, had just over half of the kills that the fighter with the most kills, the Spit IX, had.  In those older Tours the 8th in line would have had less than a quarter of the kills of the leader.  In addition to that the F4U-1C was pushing 15-20% of the total kills, the leader for Tour 23 only had 7.84% of the kills, half of what the F4U-1C was hauling in.

I do find it interesting that the N1K2 has moved up from 4th place in Tour 22 to a close 2nd place in Tour 23.  It seems to be making a comeback.


Here is the complete list of fighters, ranked by kill totals, for Tour 23 (note the ENY scores):

The Spitfire Mk IX has 28770 kills and has been killed 29391 times. 7.84% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.97 / 1. ENY 13

The N1K2 has 26226 kills and has been killed 20503 times. 7.15% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.28 / 1. ENY 10

The P-51D has 23633 kills and has been killed 25311 times. 6.45% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.93 / 1. ENY 18

The La-7 has 22378 kills and has been killed 15972 times. 6.10% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.40 / 1. ENY 15

The Spitfire Mk Vb has 17540 kills and has been killed 15569 times. 4.78% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.13 / 1. ENY 30 (Too high)

The F6F-5 has 15211 kills and has been killed 17152 times. 4.14% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.89 / 1. ENY 22

The P-38L has 14853 kills and has been killed 17967 times. 4.05% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.83 / 1. ENY 30 (Too high)

The Typhoon Mk Ib has 12733 kills and has been killed 10838 times. 3.47% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.17 / 1. ENY 25

The F4U-1D has 10621 kills and has been killed 13858 times. 2.90% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.77 / 1. ENY 18 (Too low?)

The Bf 109G-10 has 10361 kills and has been killed 8169 times. 2.83% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.27 / 1. ENY 22

The Fw 190D-9 has 9548 kills and has been killed 6377 times. 2.60% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.50 / 1. ENY 18

The A6M5b has 7215 kills and has been killed 9676 times. 1.97% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.75 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low?)

The SeaFire Mk IIc has 7132 kills and has been killed 8336 times. 1.95% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.86 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low?)

The P-47-D30 has 6772 kills and has been killed 8731 times. 1.85% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.78 / 1. ENY 29

The Fw 190A-8 has 5981 kills and has been killed 5763 times. 1.63% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.04 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low?)

The Fw 190A-5 has 5446 kills and has been killed 3764 times. 1.49% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.45 / 1. ENY 30

The F4U-1C has 4938 kills and has been killed 2480 times. 1.35% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.99 / 1. ENY 10 | 8 Perk Points

The Yak-9U has 4849 kills and has been killed 3747 times. 1.32% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.29 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low?)

The C.205 has 4777 kills and has been killed 5677 times. 1.30% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.84 / 1. ENY 40 (Too high)

The Mosquito Mk VI has 4128 kills and has been killed 6134 times. 1.13% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.67 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low) | OBJ 25 (Too high)

The Bf 109G-6 has 2845 kills and has been killed 2863 times. 0.78% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.99 / 1. ENY 35

The La-5FN has 2704 kills and has been killed 2814 times. 0.74% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.96 / 1. ENY 30 (Too low?)

The P-47-D25 has 2483 kills and has been killed 2532 times. 0.68% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.98 / 1. ENY 31 (Too low?)

The Bf 109F-4 has 2207 kills and has been killed 2676 times. 0.60% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.82 / 1. ENY 40

The P-51B has 2058 kills and has been killed 2402 times. 0.56% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.86 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low)

The Hurricane Mk IIc has 2008 kills and has been killed 1566 times. 0.55% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.28 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low) | OBJ 25 (Too high)

The Yak-9T has 1983 kills and has been killed 2247 times. 0.54% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.88 / 1. ENY 30 (Too low)

The F4U-1 has 1906 kills and has been killed 2275 times. 0.52% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.84 / 1. ENY 25 (Too low) | OBJ 25 (Too high)

The Bf 109G-2 has 1721 kills and has been killed 1809 times. 0.47% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.95 / 1. ENY 40

The Ki-61-I-KAIc has 1571 kills and has been killed 1587 times. 0.42% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.99 / 1. ENY 18     (Too low)

The Me 262A-1 has 1545 kills and has been killed 233 times. 0.42% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 6.63 / 1. ENY 5 | OBJ 20 (Too high) | 200 Perk Points

The P-47D-11 has 1107 kills and has been killed 1053 times. 0.30% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.05 / 1. ENY 18     (Too low)

The Tempest Mk V has 867 kills and has been killed 182 times. 0.24% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 4.76 / 1. ENY 7 | 70 Perk Points

The Fw 190F-8 has 754 kills and has been killed 1181 times. 0.20% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.64 / 1. ENY 25     (Too low)

The F4U-4 has 591 kills and has been killed 229 times. 0.16% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 2.03 / 1. ENY 8 | 60 Perk Points (Too many?)

The C.202 has 566 kills and has been killed 1464 times. 0.15% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.39 / 1. ENY 50

The Ta 152H-1 has 373 kills and has been killed 233 times. 0.10% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 1.60 / 1. ENY 8 | 30 Perk Points (Too many?)

The Hurricane Mk IId has 353 kills and has been killed 890 times. 0.10% of total kills.  Kill / Death ratio of 0.40 / 1. ENY 25     (Too low) | OBJ 25 (Too high)

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[J_A_B]

Adjusting ENY value solely on usage may not have the desired effect.   Some planes, such as the Spitfire 5, are most likely widely-used primarily BECAUSE of their ENY value.  Lowering the ENY value may well remove the incentive to fly this airplane.

One of the nice things about the Spit 5 is it's among the few early-war/high ENY planes that has the weapon set necessary to have a good chance of getting kills.  Lower the ENY and what reason is there to fly it besides whimsy?

Not that I really care either way.  I wouldn't mind at all if none of the early-war planes were never used.  But if you are someone who DOES like seeing the older-model planes, then the ENY system seems to be a way of increasing their usage without removing/perking later aircraft.

J_A_B

[Karnak]

J_A_B,

I agree that usage should not be the sole factor of calculating ENY.  But it is a factor and the P-38 and Spit V are seeing usage far beyond anything else with an ENY of 30.  In addition the Spit V's K/D ratio indicates that it is not suffering from poor performance.

[Blue Mako]

Nice write up Karnak.  I personally think that tour 22 people thought the N1k had been turned into a TBM by the FM tweaks.  I think people are slowly working out that the N1k is always going to be a monster plane and usage will keep going up.  The only saving factor is that not many of the good sticks fly 'em so they're still easy to kill, hence the K/D ranked 6th.  

[pimpjoe]

[q]the p51B....ENY 18 [/q]

you are mistaken. the p51B has an ENY of 25  

[thrila]

The hurri IIc ENY value is extremely low considering it's performance.

It's insane that the hurri IIc has an ENY lower than the fw190-a5 and lower than all 109's except the g10 (and thats only by 3 points).

The good points of the hurri IIc-

Good turn circle
4 hispanos

and thats it!!!

Where as it's bad points are as follows...(bloody lots of them too in no particular order)

Poor acceleration
Poor rate of climb
Poor top speed (very, very low top speed)
Low ammo load (about 90 rounds per gun)
Poor visability
Poor high speed handling (if you ever get that fast)  
Bleeds E excessively (Try a 180 flat turn and see how much speed you lose)

and those are just the ones i can remember  


In short....the hurri IIC ENY is too low  

[brady]

Karnak well done, nice post

  I argee compleatly on the spit 5 and the P 38. I use the P 38 a lot, imo it is the best plane for attack mishions that are being flown for rank, you can easly kill a hanger and you have a good ammo load for vulching, also it packs all that ordance well.I fear the spit 5 more than a spit 9 in air to air combat, whear i am forced to dog fight, the spit 5 handels better imo, people may be flying it better becuase of the better pay off but I prefer it to the spit 9, not that i spend that much time in theam,  I do not have many kills in theam, I can speak from the prespectave of having to fight theam, when in my 205 I dont wory as much over a spit 9 as a spit 5.


 I also agree on your other recomended changes.

[SirLoin]

Great post!..I think SpitV ENY should be powered to 25 and P51b should be upped to 30..<S!>

[J_A_B]

"But it is a factor and the P-38 and Spit V are seeing usage far beyond anything else with an ENY of 30."

Perhaps the ENY of the others needs to be raised then  


J_A_B

[AKEagle+]

Just out of curiosity, how do these K/Ds reflect the real WWII experience?

Seems to me the F4U Corsair had something like a 6 to 1 K/D or something like that (maybe even higher).

AKEagle+

[Karnak]

J_A_B,

I suppose that would be another solution.  It depends on how fast HTC wants perks to be gathered.

AKEagle+,

It is hard to find actual K/D for most aircraft.

In the case of the Corsair and Hellcat you have to keep in mind that they were mostly going up against under equipped and under trained pilots.  If the Japanese had been putting of N1K2s and Ki-84s in quantity and quality with pilots like they had at the start the K/D ratio of the Corsair and Hellcat would have been much worse that it was.

The Corsair and Hellcat also never faced the top end Allied and Luftwaffe fighters, and that too has a detrimental effect on their K/D.

pimpjoe,

Thanks, fixed it.

[AKEagle+]

Thanks Karnak  

Some good points, after all the pilot counts more than the plane I suppose.  

I know several AKs  who could hand me my butt in a Sopwith Camel, even if I were in a Tempest.  Unless of course I just decided to outrun them! LOL !!!

I was surprised that the highest non-perk K/D was only 1.5 to 1,  that shows that there is at least a fairly even playing field.

I also would have thought that the 205 would have done better, it seems to be a pretty nice plane, and has good guns.

Gonna try the NIK out, but I prefer E fighting over Angles in WWII sims.  In WWI sims , give me a turn n burner, like the old Siemens Schuckard  (?) in the original Red Baron.  Or the Sopwith Snipe  

AKEagle+

[Dead Man Flying]

Eh?  ENY?

Oh, that's that perk point stuff.  That doesn't mean a thing to someone who doesn't care about perk points.  Set the Spit V to 0 for all I care.  

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Karnak]

AKEagle+,

Fly the N1K2 as an E fighter and you'll do better.  Spit IX works that way too.  If you use them as TnBers they both just die.

DMF,

The ENY stuff affects us all, even if we don't fly the perk planes.  The ENY values are useful to encourage diversity in the MA.  That makes it more interesting for all of us.

[AKEagle+]

Originally posted by Karnak:
AKEagle+,

Fly the N1K2 as an E fighter and you'll do better.  Spit IX works that way too.  If you use them as TnBers they both just die.

Thanks Karnak:

Now those are words of wisdom  

I sortta chewed on them, and mulled them over in my mind.  Perhaps that is a mistake I’ve made from day one flying fighter planes.  Energy vs Angles,  in all the stuff I’ve read about ACM, never have I seen Angles = Life.  

Always you read Energy = Life

Eureka! Energy = Life   (doh)    

Sort of an epiphany   for me  

Eagle shuffles back to his cave, mumbling something about how he must have been an abused child or how he shouldn't have played hockey without a helmet…

AKEagle+