Author Topic: No more suicides, no more HOs ... (Read 1147 times)

MANDOBLE · « **on:** December 30, 2002, 02:24:31 AM »

Just wait 30 seconds before giving a credit for a kill.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:25:44 AM »

Awww, did someone die to a HO recently?

-- Todd/Leviathn

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2002, 02:26:56 AM »

Suicide types prolly dont care about score, so I think as long as they actually sink the CV or kill the guys in the HO they'd be happy...

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2002, 04:42:26 AM »

But think how often people get perfectly good kills, only to be shot down seconds later by someone on their six they didn't see. They shouldn't be penalized in that situation.

MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2002, 04:49:30 AM »

MRPLUTO, that is called target fixation, a special way of suicide.

GPreddy · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2002, 05:16:12 AM »

Get used to ho deaths if you cant learn to avoid it. Just tonight I killed seven people in a row to ho in a hurr2c. I was the only one that tried to pull away so they deserved it. Either way I would survive your 30 second rule and ho would still be in the game.

Suicide is all together different but if you ho without learning how I guess you could call it suicide. Why not just ask yourself what you are doing flying right at the guy if you dont intend to shoot or want it to be an ho? I would call it suicide.

moose · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2002, 05:53:25 AM »

I have problems understanding why anyone would want such a lame gamey feature just because they can't easily dodge a headon.

If you don't have the skill to avoid a headon pass, then you don't deserve a feature that would discourage it.

Tumor · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2002, 05:57:08 AM »

I accidentally ran into Hizakite last night and got the kill... busted my rudder (as though thats supposed to make any sense as I hit him from behind... cute 6 Hizakite lol) and completely hosed Hiz's ride. I was down to very low ammo and was rather pleased at the outcome of the engagement.

The way I see it... I wasn't the one who slammed on the brakes and tried to force the overshoot, therefore I was glad I got the kill, one of the few times thats happened.

Truth is though... WE BOTH SHOULDA BEEN DEAD (cheerleaders please restrain yourselves here).

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2002, 09:16:46 AM »

To HO or not to HO; that is the question.

I don't want to eliminate HOs at all. I usually avoid them, but it depends on the situation. If I'm desperate, or if the other guys is avoiding the HO in an uncreative way, then sometimes I go for the shot.

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Another situation: A fighter attacks a large buff formation from its high 10, shoots down a buff, and then is exploded as he passes through the formation. He used excellent tactics and deserves the kill, even though this time he didn't make it.

Or this one: A fighter attacks a lone B-17 from its low six. Slowly. Surely this is suicidal. But if the fighter can shoot down the buff and then stay in the air long enough, say with 1/2 a wing & in flames, then the "suicidal" fighter-dweeb gets the kill.

The amount of injustice caused by such a rule is enourmous.

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MANDOBLE, Target fixation is a mistake, not suicide. Almost all kills require total concentration on the target, if only for a brief moment. At that moment even the best pilot is vulnerable. That's why there are wingmen. And women.

MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33

Dago · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2002, 10:03:26 AM »

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No more suicides, no more HOs ...

How about "No more whines"?

dago

Kanth · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2002, 10:08:53 AM »

This is all just so wrong.

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Originally posted by Tumor
I accidentally ran into Hizakite last night and got the kill... busted my rudder (as though thats supposed to make any sense as I hit him from behind...

eskimo2 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2002, 10:12:26 AM »

Best way to deal with HOs is to become a better PIMP.

eskimo

Wotan · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2002, 10:23:46 AM »

yup what kinda pimp gets beat down by hos?

I understand pimpin aint easy but your going about the wrong way.

Must be a "Euro" Pimp thing............

Hungry · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2002, 10:55:36 AM »

HO's per say don't bother me like they used to when I first started AH, its just a cheezy tactic thats part of the game, and the only reason I still call it cheezy ( read on first ) is because of the total reliance of it and laziness most pilots have. Play it or not.
The merge HO's are easy to avoid, the ones that still bother me are the "snapshot HO's" I can't do anything about to avoid. Example, I had a great turn fight with another F4U, from about 10k down to the deck, not one HO attempt lotsa acm, turns and work for a kill. I finally managed to get his six and put him away. So here I am on the deck seconds after the kill, low and slow and some pinhead in a spit comes straight at me and bang, me being to slow to do anything dies. It would have been so easy and to me much more rewarding if I were the spit to pull up loop it get behind and fire.
Oh well play it or not.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2002, 11:12:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
I accidentally ran into Hizakite last night and got the kill... busted my rudder (as though thats supposed to make any sense as I hit him from behind... cute 6 Hizakite lol) and completely hosed Hiz's ride. I was down to very low ammo and was rather pleased at the outcome of the engagement.

The way I see it... I wasn't the one who slammed on the brakes and tried to force the overshoot, therefore I was glad I got the kill, one of the few times thats happened.

Truth is though... WE BOTH SHOULDA BEEN DEAD (cheerleaders please restrain yourselves here).

Tumor, something isn't right here. Do you have a recording of this?

If you ran into him from behind, you should be dead and he allive. There's not really any other way lag would allow it to happen.

Either you overshot (flew by him) and he then pulled up into you, or you actually did more damage than you thought and got the kill before you collided with him.

AKDejaVu