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Offline Dago

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2002, 10:51:00 PM »
:D   :o   :eek:   :p   :confused:   :cool:   :rolleyes:   :(
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2002, 10:57:00 PM »
Most of these issues have already been debated elsewhere ad infinitum, but I still want to respond to them.  In the order that Pyemia originally posted:

1) N1k - was a great plane in real life, yes it turns better than a spit in here but it really did by all accounts.  Takes more damage than a 190?  I dunno, thats open to debate.  Hard to tell in here which takes more damage. N1k seems to die easy enough most of the time though.  Dives better than a jug? Are you out of your mind? There is no way.  Try this experiment anytime you like. Take a friend to the training arena, one of you in a nik and the other in a jug.  Climb to 10k and then both dive at same time, see who runs away.  P-47 wins hands down every time just as it should.  Climbs better than a P-38?  I dont know about that either.  I suspect that the P-38 has a better rate of climb while the N1k probably has better Angle of climb.  Havent tested that personally though.  And just how do you get that it has better guns than the tiffie?  Thats ridiculous.  To me the guns seem quite similar as well they should since both planes are using 4 20mm cannons.  The British guns should be slightly better but I dont know of any way that you could verify this one way or another within AH.  Landable on a CV?  Of course it is.  I can land practically anything in here on the CV. In real life it was intended to be a carrier fighter anyway so no surprise there.

2) Spitfire flight model? No comment because this area is just too subjective.  I think that the spits seem to perform pretty much as I would expect them too but this will just degrade into an "im right, no im right"
type of an argument without any means of backing up claims.  

3) La-7 is far from unbeatable, they are fast down low but other than that not so great.  There are perked planes that are faster.  As has been stated repeatedly before, if the La-7 is perked than people will just move to the next fastest fighter, probably the P-51.  Then you will have the same argument with that.  I personally would like to see some of the late war uberplanes lightly perked, but its not that big of a deal.  Certainly never makes me consider leaving the game.

4) GV damage models.  If you read histories of WW2, European theatre, you will find that US fighters scored many kills on tanks with their .50 caliber guns as well as with rockets.  The .50 caliber MG bullet would penetrate almost all WW2 tanks from above and in some cases from behind as well since armour on tanks is much thinner there.  Even the vaunted Tiger tank could be crippled or dispatched in this way.  Even today, .50s are used against armoured vehicles of every type except main battle tanks.  One USMC sniper in Desert Storm destroyed two Iraqi armoured personnel carriers with a .50 caliber rifle.  These APCs were armoured on a level similar to some WW2 tanks.  As far as killer bushes go, I agree that the little bushes shouldnt prove lethal to a tank, however, a tank cant just drive around the countryside knocking down all in its path.  My dad was a tanker and he has numerous pictures of tanks getting stuck and disabled by terrain.  You cant drive around with impunity in real life in a tank, you have to watch where you are driving, so it is in here.  I have never lost a tank in here to killer bushes even though I drive ground vehicles sometimes.  The reason I dont is because I watch where I'm going.  Its quite easy.

5)I agree some on this one.  I dont like having icons either, not just range icons but icons period.  However I can see that they are a necessary concession in the MA at least.  I would like to see them turned completely off in scenarios though.  So yes they are a gameplay concession but a very necessary one in the MA.

6) suicide attacks.  I dont think that suiciding is as prevelant as many people think.  I think most of the time people go into a situation fully intending to survive but die in spite of this.  I cant recall ever flying into a situation where I intended to get shot down but it happens quite frequently! Suicidal? Of course I enter some situations that I would probably not enter in real life if I were in the same but there is really no way to prevent that short of the electric shock from joystick that J_A_B_ suggested.  Even in paintball, where there is a painful deterrent to prevent you from risking your hide needlessly I do things that I wouldnt do in real life.  This is unavoidable.  You will never find a simulation anywhere that this doesnt happen.  Again, like so many of the other things, its not all that big of a deal, certainly not a reason to quit the game entirely.  By the way, Japanese kamakaze attacks were pretty effective. They sunk and damaged an awful lot of USN ships and caused destruction far out of proportion to their numbers.  

The bottom line is that I cant see any of these gripes as giving much of a reason for quitting.  If these things bother you, than by all means quit, but I defy you to find a better simulation anywhere.  This one is definitely the most realistic MMO WW2 sim yet.

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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2002, 11:22:00 PM »
Zygote, I noticed the same with spits, they are a bit of a pain. I had one 600y my 6 at 9k, I dove to the deck while doing some wide turns and he was still 600y while I was on the deck ... it was a Spit5. he ended up ripping my elevator out ...eeeek.

You know the remedy of most of your dislikes can be the Combat Theater, no LA7, no Nikis, no CV suicide.  ;)
Dat jugs bro.

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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2002, 11:32:00 PM »
The single propeller installation was simpler and less mechanically troublesome, but it did produce (as expected) an extremely powerful torque on takeoff that required considerable skill on the part of the pilot to counter.

However, against the B-29, the N1K2-J was less successful, since its climbing speed was insufficient and the power of the Homare 21 engine fell off rather rapidly at higher altitudes.


The Shiden Kai had its center of gravity too far aft, and to correct this problem the N1K3-J Shiden Kai 1 Model 31 was built, which had the Homare 21 engine moved forward six inches

One of the weaknesses of the Shiden Kai was its rather lackluster high-altitude performance. It had proven to be ineffective against the B-29 owing to its poor climbing ability

The early Homare engine failed to develop its rated power, the propeller torque during takeoff was excessive

The wheel brakes were so bad that most pilots chose to land their Shidens on the grass alongside the runway in order to shorten the landing run.


Need I say more?

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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2002, 11:48:00 PM »
Karnak hes not a "lw" pilot. He flies all the planes.

Kind of a like toejamfire pilots are studmuffins...


The only thing that I'll add is everything he said was true the day he first played AH (real or not) and aint much changed since then. You knew when ya 1 st came here how it was why wait 5 months (or whatever) to decide ya hate it......

I dont anyone will miss ya so the public goodbye is really a waste of time.

Sounds like frenchy's a lwhiner too...... :)

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: Wotan ]

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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2002, 11:52:00 PM »
duh duh duh another one bites the dust

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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2002, 11:56:00 PM »
Pyemia .. or whatever your name is..

Even though I didn't care for your antics it's too bad you have to go.

Couple of my cents...

1) no, no no.. N1k no way in hell outdives p47. More damage then 190..no. N1ks are delicate in my opnion (fine with me). 190s arent tough either but thats diff. matter. Climbs better then p38.. not on even terms no.

4) The last patch fixed this. It is much tougher to kill gvs with mgs now..but 2 or 3 passes from 4-6 .50 cal. mgs should kill a gv...don’t you think so?
Have you ever seen .50 cal bullets that were fired from wwii alied aircrafts?. I have..they are no joke.

And little bushes don’t kill gvs anymore. I agree that was really annoying.

Overall I would recommend flying in the combat arena. But in the end wake up and smell the coffee..this is a game! As I told the ppl who liked and wanted no icons in wb3 "you want full realism... go join the air force."


The other issue that this thread kind of brings up.. the LW aircraft.. even though I rarely fly them (I’ve only been practicing them in combat arena and H2H) .. there does seem to be a few things wrong with the toughness and fm of LW aircraft. I can't prove it right now with numbers etc but I seriously doubt LW would have posed any threat in WWII if they had planes like these.

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2002, 12:05:00 AM »
I have a failing tooth.  In comparison, this post is like a JayLo blowjob  :)

Im not trying to be sentimental or harsh on pyemia (Ive often wondered just how the hell he pronounces that).  All I attempt to do is levy some perspective for my own benifit if no one elses.

 
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2002, 12:25:00 AM »
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Originally posted by JoeMud:
duh duh duh another one bites the dust

LOL

All I can think of while reading that is that TV commercial of the kid driving the car in a funeral procession, with that tune cranked...what ad was it?  Ugh!  Very funny tho!  Must go play Queen songs now!

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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2002, 12:42:00 AM »
Well after coming offline after shotting down 3 guys in my lovely P47D*. Well all i can say, what ever you say about aces high. How much you will pull and whine about everthink and blah blah and so one. You will allway know there is a much more mature Community here than anywere else. All this, and a great Community for only $15 a month, yeaaaaaa. You will be back, All i know is i will see that < > kill message come lovely up on my machine when I fill you're AC full of my loving .50cal bullets.

Take it from me man. I have quit and quit, gone though 50 accounts and i am still here, still playing. So i hope you will be here to.

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Another Qestion: you can't call P47 pilots dweebs, can you?

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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2002, 01:10:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Well Urchin,

1) Zygote has usually argued the pro-German line in the past.  I don't know what he actually flys, but his past arguments gave my post its direction.

2) I didn't use any slang terms.

3) His post is full of the same old BS about those horrible, invincible N1Ks and Spits.  Unfortunately for me, every time I try to varify their perfect e retention it doesn't happen.  They bleed e too, just not quite as much.  He was towing the party line of the most rabid German aircraft fans.

4) He states that the Spits, N1K2 and the La-7, all have artificial EZ modes built into them intentionally by HTC. HTC may have done this, but they have always specifically said otherwise and until somebody gives an awful lot more evidence that Zygote did, I'm going to take HTC's word on it.

Not taking it personnaly, but why was my post worse?


Karnak
You have shown your prejudice, not his. Makes it comfortable for you to have everyone you disaggree with under one easy label I guess. It has helped this little flame fest no more then it has helped in the past. And you arent man enough to say..
"Sorry. I was wrong. This guy isnt a luftwaffe fan. He just doenst like the way the Spit is modeled."
So you insult a whole group of players for the exit of one. And dont even see why that is ignorant of you.
Cool the way you got a kill in everything 2 tours ago btw..but your a dweeb sometimes...

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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2002, 01:20:00 AM »
See ya in a few weeks Zyramia.

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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2002, 02:56:00 AM »
Pongo,

I don't even know why I bother.

I am sick of seeing the type of crap that people like Zygote put out.  You seem to like others to do your dirty work, and then come in a look reasonable while you defend them.  I was wrong about his particular habits, but that doesn't change my opinion of his statements.

It should also tell you something about the most rabid of German aircraft fans that his statements are so readily attributed to that group.

I would understand your take on me better if I always argued against things for German aircraft, but that is not the case.  There are many times that I have argued for improvements to the German aircraft in AH as well as additional German aircraft to be added.

Due to things said by others I sometimes regret those statements...
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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2002, 03:05:00 AM »
Why do people always say "I quit." when they really mean "I'm going to change my handle because I am embarrased to be seen with myself." ???

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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2002, 04:10:00 AM »
I donno why some of you guys call anyone who complains about AH a LuftWaffle or whatever, this guy barely ever flies German planes and you call him that. Thats diddlying BS.


Now to Pzygomia:   :)

Now I have no idea why people gripe so much about that stupid POS the LA7, yes its very fast, so what? All that means is the bastards can leave me alone faster after I reverse on them. Plus I think LA7 handles like crap.

Niki is fine now, I havent seen any bizzare vertical roadkill since the FM change. No reason to complain here anymore.

Spits are very slow and cant dive worth a toejam, just about any plane easily outdives a Spit, especially all 109Gs and all all 190s from my experience. Keep above thenm or coalt and they arent a bother too much then. If they are much higher than you simply refuse to fight. Thats one of the greatest things about the AH "Arena" setup, you dont have to fight if you dont want to, even against much faster planes if you know what you are doing.

You can also outurn and outmanuver Spits, Nikis and even Zeros in 190s and 109s if you know what youre doing.

When fighting turn fighers in 109 and 190 keep the option (some alt) to dive away.

I do think the whole AH GV implementation needs serious work.


But for now:

Good Bye!


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See you next week.