luffwobble abuse?

[Vermillion]

Urchin, my mistake ! Thats what I get for posting after a six pack of beer and several shots of Wild Turkey 101.  Damn my head hurts this morning.

In my drunken haze my mind confused the two.

Sorry Raub and Grun.

[eddiek]

BNM, myself, moose, BigMax, gurge, pimpjoe,and others DO fly the Jugs a lot.   And watch gurge fly a Jug and see how many kills he gets before you start labelling anyone who chimes in with a comment as a luftweenie.  Some folks are proficient in almost all the planes, and they can tell you things like moose did without deserving the little label you threw on him.
While I am not a LW fan, I do recognize that those planes do have some outstanding qualities, such as climb and acceleration.  Kinda nice to be able to enter the combat zone with plenty of alt under your wings and all, but still.........getting kills in a 109, from my own experience, takes patience.

[maxtor]

The planes are indeed different and of course some planes are easier to get killed by or get kills in than others.  To state otherwise is simply ignorant, and to do so with that tired "luftwhiner" tag - especially in this thread - is plainly inflamatory.

BTW - If as you say "La7s are just runners" and the score page says:

BNM has 20 kills and has been killed 21 times against the La-7.

Then I guess you should not be chasing LA7's, because it ain't workin for ya.

But stay with the "easy to kill" N1K2, This DOES seem to work for ya

BNM has 29 kills and has been killed 9 times in the N1K2.

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edit to add:   A little truth thrown in never hurts

[hitech]

Both wilbus.

This line.

these planes aren't the end all be all - it takes more skill to fly them successfully.

Could be a luftwine depending the history of the person, if it's ment as all LW planes take more skill, and only LW planes, then yes it would be a luftwine. If ment as a comparison between LW planes and the spit/n1k then yes it is a very valid statement.

But in reality it's a different set of skills, in the spit - n1k its much easyer for a new player to get kills against a = player in a 109g10.

but now say we have 2 expert players of the same skill, whos most likly to get the kill?

The thing is there are allied planes in the same catagory as the 109s like the P38 & P47's both require more than just T&B skills.

But I would say usinging the luftwiner term in this case is a knee jerk and not valid.

HiTech

[Octavius]

can't we all just be dweebs?  



BTW, what are "Thought police"  ?

[hitech]

My deffinition of a LuftWhiner.

They need ALL of the folling.

1. Love of LW planes.

2. Frustration that they are not killing as much as they think they should.

3. Blame the plane for lack of the kills.

4. Post or complain about said lack.

5. Repost persived lack or acctual with a demanding or critizing tone.

Not a requirement but very common to the extream whinner.
6. Do some searching and when any one source is found that could meen there plane should be better, post that the current model is porked, even though other sources show whats current could is valid.

Now this set also applies to other plane type lovers, but we are just talking LW here.

And for me I realy make no destinction between the post, it's just that the LuftWhine is more common as a group.


HiTech

[Wlfgng]

now that's the REAL hitech

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by hitech
2. Frustration that they are not killing as much as they think they should.

3. Blame the plane for lack of the kills.

These two points place you in a situation where u surely cant name a single LuftWhiner in the entire AH comunity.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
These two points place you in a situation where u surely cant name a single LuftWhiner in the entire AH comunity.

Many of us could, I won't. Number 3 happens often and is the result of number 2.

[BNM]

I fly all planes. Like to experiment some. Only been playing AH about 6-7 months. Never said I was good at anything I just said the statement "it takes more skill to fly them successfully." gets the LW boyz picked on and is definately luftweenie. Can't argue with that or you look like an i..... nevermind. I use Niki sometimes in base defense. Fly 51 or 47 on long runs flying with some alt. Fly 109 G-10 or Spit when I want easy kills. Doesn't really matter to me what anyone thinks of my flying skills or lack therof, I just get tired of the gamers/alt dweebs/etc... thinking they are God's gift to ACM.

[Wilbus]

1. Love of LW planes.

2. Frustration that they are not killing as much as they think they should.

3. Blame the plane for lack of the kills.

4. Post or complain about said lack.

5. Repost persived lack or acctual with a demanding or critizing tone.

Not a requirement but very common to the extream whinner.
6. Do some searching and when any one source is found that could meen there plane should be better, post that the current model is porked, even though other sources show whats current could is valid.

So how could I be a luftwhiner? It was a long long time ago since I posted any complaints without actual facts to support it and yet you say "that's why people refer to you as a luftwhiner*. (which I haven't been called personally in a long time either).

I love LW planes but that alone does not make me a luftwhiner.

Going from your list there, I was a luftwhiner before. That was before I really started digging into things and use many different valid sources. This would also mean that I am no longer seen as a luftwhiner from your eyes... if your list is true to you.

Right?

[eddiek]

I agree with HiTech on the definition, 100 percent.

If the folks who spout off about how badly the LW iron needs this or needs that would take the time to compare how the two main LW fighters, the 109 and 190, do against the top three Allied rides (P-51, Spits V, IX, and XIV, and the La7), they would see that the LW iron holds a positive k/d ratio against almost all of them.  And those rides "need" more?    
Like HiTech said, sometimes it appears as though some LW fans, and others too, want nothing less than a superplane to zoom around the arena in, when what they have now is more than capable of getting the job done.

[hitech]

Wilbus:

But we all know the Tiffie was a supreme fighter at all altitudes. We also know for a fact, that is suported by aeorynamic facts and theories and physic laws that the thicker the wing is, the better high speed handeling.  

Give it up Mandoble, not worth it.

Don't even bother Gatr, not worth it, it's porked in more ways then any other plane in the game, been up before. Not worth the time mate.

The Ta152 is wrong, it's been proven and lots of non LW fliers agree with it after seeing lots of evidence

And what exactly do you meen by these statments?

HiTech

[eddiek]

I am not innocent of going into a tirade about my favorite ride.

Eighteen months, maybe two years ago I went off really bad, after Widewing posted excerpts from his interview with Robert S. Johnson and his P-47D-5, "Lucky".  
I dug and dug, talked with numerous vets and others about the engine mods Mr. Johnson described, tried to sway HT and Pyro into modellling those mods into the AH Jugs.  
In the end, I felt foolish from having spouted off so loudly.  

FWIW, HiTech, I've almost got my interview with that Jug pilot from Amarillo completely transcribed into text now (extremely slow typist am I).   Was gonna drag him to the next AH con in Grapevine, but alas.............Indiana is too far for me, much less him.

[minus]

FREKING CRAP !!!!! and the money from Luftwhiner are  not the same  ???

bah ,


and dont forget target my person