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Offline Sandman

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« on: December 30, 2002, 10:48:03 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/index.html

I'm torn on this... on the one hand, I think the living under the UCMJ should be voluntary. On the other... there is some truth to the idea that the affluent in this country are not personally at risk when our government makes war. One has to wonder how this shapes their opinions or not.

Of course... maybe that's just the history given to us as children that skews my opinion... you know... the parts where past leaders of this country spent time at the pointy end of the sword instead of buying their way to the REMF club.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2002, 10:53:18 AM »
I do not see this getting passed.


Does the Military really want people who do not want to be there now?

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2002, 10:55:18 AM »
It won't work in the U.S.  There is no immediate threat and there is a decent economy.  With both of these conditions, we would have to effectively turn military compounds into prisons to keep the conscripts there.

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2002, 11:03:02 AM »
I don't either..We need to stop being the bully..

Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2002, 11:04:39 AM »
Maybe we could do something similar to the Canadian system in WW2. All were subject to conscription, but only volunteers were sent to the front.

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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2002, 11:13:10 AM »
Required military service would hurt the military more than anyone else.  With the current all-volunteer army,  there is a lot of flexibility with what they can do.  Those who are willing to fight will be sent, those who wish not to join don't.  There is no problem of "I'm against any kind of war because I might be drafted and sent there next".

There isn't a chance in hell we'd be able to go after iraq if there was the threat of a draft.  The same goes for just about every military action short of defending our own borders.

It has nothing to do with "keeping the affluent safe".  NOBODY is in the US military against thier will, affluent or not.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2002, 11:16:20 AM by Innominate »

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2002, 11:13:27 AM »
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
I don't either..We need to stop being the bully..


I think that's Rangel's point. He believes that if we had the draft, maybe we would stop being the bully.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2002, 11:20:53 AM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe we could do something similar to the Canadian system in WW2. All were subject to conscription, but only volunteers were sent to the front.


From what I recall, it was more like, our allies were ticked that we weren't conscripting.  So Mackenzie-King, said fine, we are passing a conscription act.  He passed the act and then didn't bother conscripting anyone.


Edit: More info:

April 27
In Canada, a national vote is taken on the subject of conscription of soldiers for overseas duty. The response is 64% in favour of conscription, though in Québec 76% vote against. The Prime Minister decides that to keep Canada united, he would postpone conscription as long as possible.

May 7
In Canada, the Prime Minister recommends to Cabinet that the National Resources Mobilization Act be amended, to allow conscription for overseas war duty.

July 7
In Canada, Bill 80 passes second reading in Parliament, giving government power to conscript soldiers for war duty overseas.

"King moved slowly, stating his policy in a clever, even elusive phrase 'Not necessarily conscription but conscription if necessary.'"

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Opps, I was wrong.  

"By the fall of 1944, it became clear that the Canadian Army needed infantry reinforcements that would be created only if the government invoke conscription for overseas service. King delayed as long as he could and finally agreed that conscription had become necessary. Slightly more than 12,000 conscripts were sent overseas before the war came to an end. "
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2002, 11:31:41 AM »
yadda yadda  yadda...

as if the military exists for the comfort and convenience of the general public.  Of COURSE many aren't going to want to join the military.
It's there to protect this country not pacify the public.  If left up to a vote, the vote will almost always swing to the "no: side, unless under times of obvious threat (at home).

A lot of things we need to do as a country and as individuals aren't pleasant.  It shouldn't be a deciding factor.

FWIW the military can be a godsend for some people...
I won't even start on about how weak minded and lazy our country is becoming (especially the younger crowd).

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2002, 11:49:47 AM »
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I won't even start on about how weak minded and lazy our country is becoming (especially the younger crowd).


Funny... the generations before us said the very same thing. :)
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2002, 11:53:38 AM »
were they right?  I think so...

Offline Sandman

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2002, 12:01:45 PM »
I'm not so sure. We live in a different time and a different world than our parents.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2002, 12:06:52 PM »
I don't know, the introduction of free agency certaintly had an effect on how some general managers looked at building teams, but at the same time, the Salary cap has reduced their ability to build exclusively through the FA market.
The fact is, that while the draft ecame was perceived as less important for a short time, in the end, it has remained the most effective way to build a team.

Oh, wait, wrong draft.

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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2002, 12:07:08 PM »
true but most Americans, admit it, are lazy as hell.
mentally and physically.

how many times have I seen someone get mad because their speed dial didn't work right (instead of dialing whole number),
or they can't find their remote (spend more time looking for it than just getting up to change channel),
or the mental part.. "I can't figure it out so someone tell me" attitude... take this game for example. :)

you know I'm right

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2002, 12:07:28 PM »
Bad idea. There will be deferments that will be available to wealthier people just like there was in the 60s, the military will be innundated with toejambirds who don't want to be there and we'll be putting unwilling kids at risk in military operations that may not even be legal, in some cases.

If Rangel is truly intrested in avoiding war then he should push legislation requiring our lawmakers to lead us into battle.