Thought on how maybe to stop suicides on cv. HTC please read

[rod367th]

What about making it so Bombs don't exploded unless dropped from 3000ft or more over WATER ONLY. If I'm right its 500ft now over land. And torp don't work over 200 ft, so why can't we make bombs over water work?





 Posted  this as New plane of choice to Suicide cv's is the JU87's.




 To be honest I found out to live killing cv's i need to be 5k or higher, I prefer 8k and if no manned 5" guns i get all 3 ships home. And only a few guys really good at using 5" guns so far.

[ALF]

We can call this the PT protection act of 2002....no way this is anything but gamey.

The issue is with people wanting the CV to be INVULNERABLE, while they park it 1 mile offshore.  You want the CV to live, dont shove it up the beach, keep it offshore a ways so the NME cant see it from shore, and gets intercepted before they arive to bomb it.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by rod367th

Posted  this as New plane of choice to Suicide cv's is the JU87's.

And only a few guys really good at using 5" guns so far.

There is NO excuse for a ju87 EVER making it to a carrier.  If a ju87 gets through fighter cap, then there wasnt any to start with, it's one of the easiest targets in the game.

The best way to stop CV suicide attacks is to have a decent 5" gunner.  A 5" gunner with an hour or two of practice should easily be able to pick off 90% of suicide attacks easily.  A plane flying straight at a 5" gun SHOULD be doomed.  (it would be nice if rank could kick people out of the 5" guns, it'd help stop the newbies from hogging the guns and getting the fleet killed)

[GPreddy]

According to what I saw on the history channel recently (doesnt make it fact) most hits on a cv were not critical unless the penetrated to the fuel or ammo cells in the middle of the ship. That would seem to suggest that close egg hits that dont really hit the ship wouldnt do much at all so they could be ignored. I dont know what type of ship the cv is supposed to be but if its an essex class it has a hardened deck so it would resist smaller bombs. A good solid hit in the middle of the ship with a big egg would kill it though and it wouldnt take 8k.

[hogenbor]

I am only very average as an attack or bomber pilot and I wouldn't dream of trying to pick off a CV with divebombing.

Recently I figured out how to do some level bombing and when an NME carrier showed up I picked a field a sector away, got a formation of B-17's to 10k, did the bombsight routine and sank the carrier!

Well, It wasn't suicide because I was out of reach of lighter flak and only got shot down on the landing approach But If I can do it, anyone can! Maybe it's much tougher when the CV is moving but hey, at my first attempt! Sounds a lot better then to struggle a Ju-87 to 15k with that lovely 1800kg bomb and miss or get shot down. In that plane ANY attack on a CV is suicidal.

[akak]

I've used the Ju-87 with success in sinking the cruiser with the 1,800kg bomb.  Most of the time I don't make it but I survive long enough to drop my bomb.

Don't mistake this for a suicide Jabo run, as I have the full intention of making it out but with all the AAA fire from the destroyers, CV and the cruiser itself, the Ju-87 can only take so much damage.  Most of the time I have to fight my way though fighter CAP and sometimes I don't make it past that but more often than not, I manage to slip by the fighter cover and score a direct hit on the cruiser.  If I do manage to survive my bomb run, my plane is usually pretty shot up to pieces and making it home to land is pretty tough.

This makes me think that what a lot percieve to be suicide Jabo runs on the fleet aren't actually that at all.  Sure some do it but I think most of them are flights like mine, with the pilots having the intention of making it out alive but get shot down in the process.  Earlier today I was accused of a suicide Jabo run on a cruiser because I flew straight into it after I released my bomb.  What the guy accusing me didn't see was that almost immediately after I pickled my bomb and started my pull out, I lost my elevators and couldn't pull out of my dive and flew straight down into the cruiser.  


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[SlapShot]

Originally posted by akak
This makes me think that what a lot percieve to be suicide Jabo runs on the fleet aren't actually that at all.  Sure some do it but I think most of them are flights like mine, with the pilots having the intention of making it out alive but get shot down in the process.  Earlier today I was accused of a suicide Jabo run on a cruiser because I flew straight into it after I released my bomb.  What the guy accusing me didn't see was that almost immediately after I pickled my bomb and started my pull out, I lost my elevators and couldn't pull out of my dive and flew straight down into the cruiser.  


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What Ack-Ack said ...

[GPreddy]

The stuka is a poor choice for killing the cruiser because its too slow. You dont need that big egg to kill the cruiser either. Any plane that can carry two 1k eggs that also approaches from 13k should be able to sink the cruiser and either take only one ack hit or none at all. The exception would be the occasion that a five inch gunner hits you. When I do it this way the ack seldom hits me and I dont come below 5k. Its the guys that drop from 1-2k that are suicidal.

[Cobra]

How about putting up a CAP around the CV group?

Cobra

[GPreddy]

Cobra it wont help. Ive had up to four guys between me and the cv and still hit my target. Have you ever tried to stop a determined la7 from killing a goon? Its the same thing.

[rod367th]

Okay thx for replys but what do you think of bombs must be 3k over water to arm? could it work your thoughts on this.



Because we all agree a cap or 5 "inch gunners could stop most.

[TheFatz]

May I suggest, ever see in scenarios or in the CT, etc, the little task groups, like 2 or 3 battleships and some cruisers, which can launch lvts and pts.  CV's need escort fleets so we can keep the cv safe, and still launch landing attacks.  If each port spawned a CV group and a escort group, all would be great.  Just need to make sure the escort fleet goes a bit faster than the cv fleet, inorder to escort it correcly.

Fatz

[Toad]

Well, how about a "suicide hotline". Whenever somebody launches withing two sectors of a CV with ord they have to talk personally to Yankee or Ronni before getting a "take off clearance".

That way Ronni and Yankee can tell them that all is not lost, the war's not over, that another one will be starting soon anyway and that there's no need for suicide and talk them out of it?

Whaddaya think?  Just a thought.

[Booky]

AKAK, you of all people should know the P38, Typh, Hog, jsut about anything with 2 1k bombs can sink the CA and live every single time. I think I died one time sinking the CA and that was to a lucky 5 " gun shot. I tend to run into more problems with the CV since it has more protection and I dont drop untill 5k or so.

Booky

[akak]

Originally posted by Booky
AKAK, you of all people should know the P38, Typh, Hog, jsut about anything with 2 1k bombs can sink the CA and live every single time. I think I died one time sinking the CA and that was to a lucky 5 " gun shot. I tend to run into more problems with the CV since it has more protection and I dont drop untill 5k or so.

Booky

I know it can but it's a lot more fun trying to get a Ju-87 in to sink it.  A couple of squad mates and I last night sank the Rookie fleet with Ju-87s and it was a blast, actually survived that one but my rear gunner wasn't so lucky.


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