Author Topic: No more suicides, no more HOs ...  (Read 1146 times)

Offline CMC Airboss

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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2002, 11:22:34 AM »
HO's are very easy to detect, avoid, and defeat.  Why is this even an issue?

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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2002, 11:24:14 AM »
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HO's are very easy to detect, avoid, and defeat.  Why is this even an issue?

MiG


Exactly!  I mean, doesn't it take two to tango, so to speak?

You see a head-on coming, just avoid it.

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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2002, 12:10:59 PM »
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1.  Instead of a 1.25 perk multiplier for landed missions, make it much higher...2 or 3 maybe?  And raise the multiplier for ditching and bailing safely, too.


Just delay accumulation of perk points for a period of time, say, 30 seconds. If you don't live long enough after a kill or destroying a ground target for the perks to be accumulated, you don't get any perks for that attack.

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3.  Require bombers to be more or less level to drop bombs.


This fails for all bombers that mount bombs externally, and horribly screws planes like the Val and Stuka (and even the Ju 88), which were designed as dive-bombers; it also mildly hoses planes that were used for shallow-dive bombing, like the B-26 and A-20.

Rather than require a specific plane attitude, require that a plane dropping bombs from a bomb bay be pulling at least 1 G in order for the bombs to leave the bomb bay; otherwise they jam up inside the bay and can't be dropped (leaving the buff pilot with all that dead weight -- once a bomb jams in the bay, no further bombs will drop). It will be interesting watching people trying to make smooth pull-ups in 17s and Lancs, getting it a little wrong, and ripping their wings off -- or failing to get the bombs to drop and getting stuck with thousands of pounds of bombs in their racks and no way to drop them.

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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2002, 01:44:19 PM »
MrPluto said :

"2. Perk bombs and rockets for all non-bomber aircraft. (The A-20 might have to be reclassified.) "

It's amazing how fast a discussion on headon passes  between fighters , turns into a Bomber Bash . So excuse me , and pay attention , i'm only gonna say this once more .

Historically , there would be NO fighter planes without attack craft . Your job priorities  :

 1.) Protect your bombers/attack planes ...
 2.) Destroy your enemies' bombers/attack planes ...

Any other conflict between fighter craft was purely incidental .
   
     In this age of Perk this and that whines ... perhaps one could say that aviators seeking a 'good one on one engagement ; co -E , co-alt , and uninterrupted by alt monkey , cherrypicking , spitdweeb furballers ' are gaming the game and should lose all  kills /perks /points  they got on that sortie unless they did it protecting a bomber .

Silly ? Sure ...  

Please ... Quit asking Hitech to recode the game to fit YOUR flight specifications  .

Fly what you like , like what you fly ...and have a big steaming cup of STFU the next time you type the word 'Perk' unless you are talking coffee .


( i hope i spelled spitdweeb right , i'm  new at this )

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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2002, 01:47:09 PM »
those who are pure of heart will not be affected by the HO.
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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2002, 02:15:42 PM »
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those who are pure of heart will not be affected by the HO.
lazs


hehe

lazs, your sense of humor is showing.
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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2002, 05:22:56 PM »
Just put four of these, in a square pattern, one sector away from the task group, and 15k in altitude and make anyone desiring to sink the CV to touch one first. :D

Uh,... IF you are so inclined! :)

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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2003, 08:32:37 AM »
Shiva:  Sorry, I should have specified that bombers like the Val, Stuka & SBD wouldn't be required to be "more or less level", since by design they are dive bombers.  I was talking about bombers that were never designed to dive bomb, like B-17s and Lancs.  I thought that would be obvious :rolleyes:

Also, I said "more or less level" to allow buffs to make shallow dive-bombing attacks.

Your 1G suggestion w/ the bombs getting hung up is an excellent one.

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RvrndMax:

You are wrong and you are rude.

The subject of this thread is "No more suicides, no more HOs..." and Mandoble's only comment was to wait 30 seconds before awarding a kill.  This is also a discussion of dweeb-buff suicide attacks.  It is YOU who should "pay attention".

You wrote:  "Historically, there would be NO fighter planes without attack craft."  

Except of course fighter sweeps conducted independently of any ground attack.  Are you not aware that such operations were conducted during WW2?

You also wrote:  "have a big steaming cup of STFU the next time you type the word perk"

My advice: don't ever tell people to "STFU".  They have just as much right to post their views as you do.





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