Ok so I don't care for GV's much but...

[lazs2]

Why do they spawn a couple of city blocks from the end of the runway?  and...

Damage model... I am trying to figure out how that guy can be shooting at me with a pintle mount mg when I am pouring like 200 rounds fro 4, 6 or 8 .50 cal machine guns into the turrent... shouldn't the guy be ded?   And.... if the turrent is open... shouldn't the rounds go inside the tank and kill everyone in there?  How bout them open topped jobs like the osties... shouldn't even 30 or 40 rounds rattling around in there kill everyone?
lazs

[Mathman]

I don't know about the rest of it, but I do think we should be able to kill the guy/gun in the coupola.  Oh well, I really don't care since I don't spend too much time killing gv's.

[Kweassa]

How about using bombs instead of trying to strafe with puny machine guns?

[MrLars]

A gameplay concession must have been made to keep people interested in manning GV's.

If the only AA defense in a tank is too easily killed then who would want to drive one?

Lastly, w/o adequate ground cover the GV's are all too easy to locate and kill using heavy ordinance, but I suppose that for non GV drivers this issue is lost.

[Ecliptik]

The fact that pilots get a nice bright icon for GV's from 1.5k out, and that it's completely impossible for GV's to hide,  far more than makes up for any perceived defensive advantage you think a GV has against a plane.

I also second what Kweassa said.

[AKDejaVu]

Lazs... the main problem is that GVs have been inserted into an environment where aircraft are their primary opponent.  The only real solution is to get them into an environment where GVs, troops and obstacles are their primary opponent/concern and then you can model more realistic anti-air defense and overal strategies.

That seems to be quite a ways away.  Until then, learn to deal with them in the context of the Aces High MA.

AKDejaVu

[715]

Originally posted by lazs2
Why do they spawn a couple of city blocks from the end of the runway?
lazs

And where does that happen?  Or do you have 3 mile long 'city blocks' where you live?  Or are you refering to the friendly GV spawn point?  If that is the case, why would you care?

[Toad]

Laz, you whiner.

Realism is the PRIMARY goal of the true afficianado of WW2 OL gaming.

Except that the need for realism can be suspended IF (and only if) suspending  a part of said realism enhances a particular afficanado's primary area of interest.

If you're confused, I'll explain at Indy.

OK now?

For everyone else... does ANYONE have any historical resource that documents kills of aircraft from pintle guns? Any nation, any vehicle?

I've read how hard it was for an aircraft to "kill" a tank. How many "Ace" (Knights Cross/Diamonds/Oak Leaves/Swords?) tank pintle gun operators were there?

[GRUNHERZ]

Since you bring up German awards they did actually have one for infantrymen downing planes, quite a few guys did so apparently even with their service rifles. Go figure...

As for tanks, well I read interviews from german tankers and they basically said it was useless and they just threw up smoke and hid they best they could under air attack. I'd imagine it's the same for all tankers.

[Toad]

Next time I'll use a DSC, Croix de Guerre, Hero of the Soviet Union or Silver Star if it makes you feel better.

[GRUNHERZ]

What kind of response is that?  I just noted something odd I once saw about the medals/awards and you repond like that like it was some insult?

What the hell is wrong with you Toad?

[Toad]

Now Grun.. don't go getting all upset again. I'm just trying to be politically correct to assuage your tender sensitivities.

Geez. There's NO pleasing some folks.

[Lazerus1]

The problem is that you are a Luftwhiner GRUN, haven't you figured that out by now??

[BenDover]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Since you bring up German awards they did actually have one for infantrymen downing planes, quite a few guys did so apparently even with their service rifles. Go figure...

ie. they shoot a plane, bullet hits engine, engines farts out black smoke as it passes said bullet, kraut gets a medal for pollution;)


I haven't heard of any tanks downing planes with the pintle guns, however i've heard of a p51 that was downed by a tigers 88mm:eek:

[GRUNHERZ]

"Next time I'll use a DSC, Croix de Guerre, Hero of the Soviet Union or Silver Star if it makes you feel better."


Toad, then just go ahead and tell me what I missed. I guess i'm curious what in your mind made you think you needed to say something like that?

Or:

Did you think that was a joke and I should laugh, then explain the punchline.


Just telling you that came accrose as some sort of arrogant thing you often post.