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Offline Toad

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Ok so I don't care for GV's much but...
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2003, 10:41:56 PM »
As you like.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline BenDover

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Ok so I don't care for GV's much but...
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2003, 10:46:44 PM »
ah ha, found it!



not sure if it happened or not

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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2003, 10:48:01 PM »
Check the name Aces High  it didnt say aces low.

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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2003, 11:26:03 PM »
That Czech girl is WAY over modeled!

COOL!

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Ok so I don't care for GV's much but...
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2003, 12:40:46 AM »
Hi,

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For everyone else... does ANYONE have any historical resource that documents kills of aircraft from pintle guns? Any nation, any vehicle?


Yes! :D

Tirpitz shot down a Lancaster with her main guns when she was attacked the first time with tall boys.

Offline Mathman

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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2003, 12:55:53 AM »
And yet another thread gets spoiled by the "Great Luftwhiner Crisis of 2002/2003".

Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2003, 01:00:46 AM »
Next time I'll use a DSC, Croix de Guerre, Hero of the Soviet Union or Silver Star if it makes you feel better.


What is this supposed to mean after my response.

Offline Toad

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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2003, 06:48:36 AM »
Sorry. Just been reading the Book of Proverbs and I'm going to take the advice therein.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline popeye

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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2003, 07:26:43 AM »
Unrealistic gameplay in the MA????   Say it isn't so!
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2003, 07:44:09 AM »
Ah... I see.. when it comes to realism and ground vehicles... all bets are off unless.... you want to make sure that their armor is tough enough to withstand .50's.  

Shouldn't a close hit with even a 250 lb bomb or rocket turn a tank over?   Or is that another "realism will spoil the gv game" issue...

and.... If realism is less important than gameplay....  why can't our CV's be about 5 times more impervious to suicide bombers?  Certainly the CV is even mre a center of gameplay than the GV's

I don't know how far the GV's spawn from the field but... seems you have to fly right over the spawn point to get to the next field... seems that the GV's, like the fluffs... have no purpose without the fighters.

I have been wounded several times by the mg on tanks or them armored car thingies.

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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2003, 07:51:50 AM »
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Shouldn't a close hit with even a 250 lb bomb or rocket turn a tank over?


uh...NO

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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2003, 07:54:58 AM »
I think laz has found his next target after the buffs have been eliminated from the game. Now the GVs, then the PTs maybe...soon we will all be flying blue aircraft with bent wings.

When they came for the buffs, I did not speak up for I was not a buff pilot...
When they came for the GVs I did not speak up for I was not a GV driver...
When they came for the PT boats, I did not speak up for I was not a sailor...
When they came for the 190s, there were no one left to speak up for me.

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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2003, 08:36:47 AM »
hortlund... if you don't have a leg to stand on then maybe you should be as frieghtened as the fluffers.
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Ok so I don't care for GV's much but...
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2003, 08:55:21 AM »
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Shouldn't a close hit with even a 250 lb bomb or rocket turn a tank over?   Or is that another "realism will spoil the gv game" issue...


Turn it over? No. Break a track or roadwheel? Maybe.

Which brings up another point that gets buried in the noise -- tank crews carried all the tools and the hardware -- extra track links (and on the PzKpfw IV chassis there was a rack to hold a pair of spare road wheels) -- to repair a broken track, which was a fairly common occurrence. Halftracks generally carried spare track links and a spare tire, and the M8 had a mount for a spare tire. It should be possible for a GV that's been tracked to repair itself, given time.

Perhaps some mechanism that creates an 'extra' crew position when you lose a track/tire that is outside the tank, and X minutes spent in that position lets you repair a damaged track/tire (duration dependent on the repair -- clearly, it's easier to change a tire than repair a track). Of course, if you jump back to one of the gun positions while you're repairing the damage, the repair time resets and you have to start over.

It wouldn't make much difference in MA play -- I'd expect that most people would just unass the tank, take the ditch/capture, and spawn a new one (well, except for the Tiger drivers, but that's what you get for remote-spawning perk vehicles), but it would add to the realism for scenarios to allow people to repair some combat damage without requiring a drop of vehicle supplies.

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Ok so I don't care for GV's much but...
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2003, 09:04:03 AM »
.50s can kill everthing except maybe Tigers.  That's still the case.

A direct hit with any bomb will kill any GV with the possible exception of a Tiger.  I've never seen a bomb drop on one of my Tigers that didn't score a kill with a direct hit.  

As far as what bombs should do to tanks in various conditions... well... it seems that is defined by whomever is feeling pissy that day.  Today it's you.

So lazs,

Other than being pissed because a GV shot you as you launched, is there really any reason for this thread?  I mean... are you really asking about something because you think its a valid issue, or is this that chip talking again?

Please continue to argue realism (both sides of the argument) when it comes to GVs.  Its not like they're being used in a capacity completely different than anything they saw in WW2... and that as a result, there really isn't ANY data to support any of the arguments/questions/answers being thrown around.

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