doh p38 streak over after 116 kills

[Hristo]

Again, good post Kieran. I can only agree and really step out of this thread now.

And yes, I appologize if I stepped on someone's toes here.

Now back to cherrypicking !

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Hristo:
So, according to DMF, Todd and Leviathn, a good pilot defends bombers from disadvantage, counting on skill to create the opportunity ?

A good pilot defends bombers with whatever cards are dealt him.  It's unrealistic both in terms of history and in terms of player patience to expect buffs and their escorts to grab to 45k every mission to avoid even the possibility of encountering higher or equal-alt enemies.

I consider the better pilot to be the one who successfully escorts buffs at 10k rather than one who successfully escorts buffs at 45k.  It's clear the the former mission is tougher, and it takes a broader set of skills to achieve success.

 

What would the bomber guys say about that pilot. Idiotic, maybe ?

I think they'd say, "What's the dot waaaaaay up there, and why isn't it attacking these enemy cons rapidly approaching us from below?"  Either that or they'd say, "Thanks for the help!"

The answer to every situation in AH is not to grab more altitude.  That may work for you, but spare me the roadkill about how that's more skillful than someone who is able to do the same or more with less.

 

Kieran, good post. But how do you know about the waves of boredom ? How do you know what is boring to someone else ? How do you know what is a challenge to Fishu ? Maybe his streak was a bigger challenge than 2 P51s taunting him.

I agree with you here.  I wholeheartedly support players flying in a manner that suits them and is personally enjoyable.  If flying to live was Fishu's thing, and he enjoyed it, then I certainly don't have a problem with that.

The problem arises when you begin using this method of flying to belittle other methods of flying, which you've been doing.

 

Some of us cherrypickers made a choice in our online flightsim carrer. I am still not bored with my choice.

Others have made a choice exactly contrary to yours, and they aren't bored either.

 

And it is not that some of the great pilots mentioned above are not trying to beat Fishu's record   . It is stil here, 2 years now.

You see, the problem is that many of these "great pilots" just don't care about the streak.  I can't see Drex going for 300 straight kills (because he sucks too much).  Nath would sooner killshooter himself on me to replane quickly rather than streaking.

Who's to say if the streak would have stood for two years if some of those who don't care about it did care.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Seeker]

Hristo wrote:

"To me the best pilot is the one who never finds himself in a situation where he has to show how good he is"


First define your fighter pilot. Whilst there's an obvious wisdom to what Hristo has said in the above, few serving pilots have the choice we gamers enjoy. Consider Pierre Clostermen, or any Jabo pilot of your choice. How does one outmanouvre an ack defended field? Consider the Spits rolling in on He 111's; dumb really, with the certain knowledge of the 109's above, or the particular skill and bravery of the Ramjęgers. Consider Nowotny, making situations, not reacting to them; he had to choice of where or when to fly.


"If someone escorts bombers and finds enemy above him, he is not the best pilot. He made a mistake."


As an escort, the buffs dictate positioning. once contact has been made, the advantage is with the attacker. If you're not where the buffs are, you're not escorting, your sweeping. You must react. At the same time, an escort is concerned with defeating attacks, not kills. Escorts break off and return to position much earlier than a sweep or rhubarb pilot. Success is measured by living buffs, not dead enemy.

[Fishu]

Come on guys.. let's quit fightning over nothing, im tired of that.

I might of been cherry picker during the streak, but you can bet there was tight situations more than enough.. you just can't avoid ones once the time comes.
I have done furballing, dogfightning... etc., not only streaked.
Theres time when regular dogfight with high probability to die just doesn't feel like it..
After streaking, you might feel like going into the fights against the odds again.

Citabria described the fun in streaking quite well in this thread.

In fact I love tight dogfights more than any BnZ.
Thats where I remember Dawn of Aces very warmly... it was *great* time.
Too bad some of you, who think me more of a cherry picker, didn't see me fightning there against the odds in furballs and coming out with bunch of kills.
DVa was a Camel killer    
I still have lots of gun camera gif animations from DoA (thx goes to Rehn for doing such a program!) and some score statistics...
..and I always wished AH to have more early war planes, those makes up for cooler dogfights.


Fariz,

Last 3 fights that I remember against nath, were victories.. were also 1 on 1
first was at disadvantage, then at coaltitude and then with advantage.
It was when I played for 1.5 months and skills were quite rusty after not playing any flight sims for months... (the WWII mod for UO time made a pause for flight sims  )

Though, we haven't battled each others otherwise as we've usually been on same side and even same squad  

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Fishu ]

[olddobe]

I recall a fellow in WarBirds,Wiskyn was his handle.He holds the record for missions flown,and never getting shot down.I was in his squad at that time,and it was something to behold,as he lived online,and he didn't hesitate to mix it up.I realize that I'm prolly out of order speaking of another sim,but I'm amazed by people like Citibria,Wiskyn,Drex,Fishu,etc.I count myself very fortunate to enjoy all these online sims,and participate with such individuals.
Dobe

[Kieran]

Fishu, I saw it there. You had a few handles, I know you can fly and never have denied that. What I am responding to is the assertation that you are the best AH pilot ever based on the streak. You also know as well as I do that what one does in one game doesn't necessarily reflect in another.

The air combat in DoA was completely different from here. If you wanted kills there you had to mix it up, there was no other way. As I recall you were a phenomenal shot, very important in that game with a pilot kill so easy to give (or, if you liked the DVa, receive). I saw you alone in many a mess holding your own. I will say that, though you did often mix it up (I remember your Cl2 prowess) you just as often could be found at 15K or so. I know, because I was up there too.   Ah, what a game. Nothing like throwing that beautiful DVa into a cloud of Camels (before the big "tweak")...

In the end, if it is to be said you are the best of AH, I would want something more substantial to hang it on. It won't bring world peace or anything, but it would be a statement of fact then, rather than an opinion. I think Hristo understands where I am coming from, I hope you can, too.

[Nath[BDP]]

Last 3 fights that I remember against nath, were victories.. were also 1 on 1
first was at disadvantage, then at coaltitude and then with advantage.

Only remember one, when I was in low 190A8 against your yak, which you won by shooting my oil out then waited for me to ditch.

Pilot skill is determined by how well a pilot adapts to a situation he's put in or puts himself into for reasons of enhancing his own flying skills or just outright doing what he's supposed to be doing--shooting the enemy down.

"Aggressiveness" in air combat has always been renowned by fighter pilots as the deciding trait between the worst and best.

Hartmann, Priller, Witmann(pz), Bong etc, do you think they got all their glory from trying to save their own asses? No way--they were killers and weren't afraid to put their lives on the line for their countries.

Exceding as a human being is all about taking risks doing things you might not know the consquence of--but in the end you may come out victorious and sometimes you'll come out in defeat. But you will always be successfull in many other less obvious levels, which will nevertheless help you in the long term.

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Nath[BDP] ]

[Nath[BDP]]

That prolly didn't make much sense but what basically when I'm saying is that a gamer earns my respect and is considered good when they do things that are unique and stay in my mind and make me remember them. They are willing to take risks and better themselves but challenging themself, not by limiting themselves.

[Fishu]

Nath,

Im talking of the meeting where you also came back after going down.
In the second time I got you smoking, likely fuel leak.. and I thought to let you go but you didnt and had you in my six for short while.
remember?

First meeting I shot the wing..

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Fishu ]

[laz]

lol.. *cough cough.. tought him eveything he knows.. cough cough** =) wtg Fecies.

=Twin Engined Devils=  

[Nath[BDP]]

remember?

nope...

Anyway, best not cite obscure fights that happened 2 or so years ago, cuz half the time I won't remember them and half the time I was prolly in a toejamty plane.

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: Nath[BDP] ]

[Fishu]

Its the latest fights we've had though  

[Nath[BDP]]

Umm, dun remember anything 'lately', only known of you online 1.5+ yrs ago.

ps, are you flying as 'fish' now?

[Fishu]

well, the latest fight indeed was a long time ago  

I don't play anymore, haven't played for a long time.

[lazs1]

Wow.. missed this thread till now... guess I thought it was just going to be a back slapping daisy chain.. I was wrong and am glad of it.

I agree with nath and leviathn.   the best pilots are the ones who earn respect by fighting.  I would say that both drex and leviathn actually consider putting themselves at a disadvantage..... no disadvantage.   I put myself at a disadvantage to get a fight going or to drag but am in no way near as good as some at getting myself out of those situations.

The best overall pilot in AH or any sim I've been in is still drex tho.  I just don't see any way to argue that streaks or no streaks.
lazs