Author Topic: Need an opinion on Mini-14/30. (Read 1472 times)

LePaul · « **Reply #15 on:** January 07, 2003, 09:44:58 AM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
AKDejaVu: I don't know of any place in the US where the AR-15 is banned.

California. New York City (where I live). Canada. Probably other places.
I may be a bit off with AR-15 pricing, not concentrating on one, but it is considerably more expensive. Not the least becasue it has many more parts, more complicated parts and is generally made to stricter tolerances.

Especially since you can only buy them when they are in compliance with fed standars.

Local standards are often more restrictive than federal ones. Only 5-round mags in NYC, for example. No pistol grips. No barrel shrouds or flashhiders. No folding stock and you can forget about a grenade launcher or a bayonet...

miko

Those poor poor gangsters, so what's that leave them with for options? Paint pellets and Nerf guns?

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 07, 2003, 09:46:21 AM »

yep... the ar15 and even the ak47 wouldn't be in the trouble they are in if they were pink and fuzzy looking... the gun banners are by far the most stupid people I have ever met... I don't know.... maybe it's not so much stupid as..... letting emotion get in the way of their thinking.... sorta like.... women. That really is why we need to end womens sufferage when you get right down to it.
lazs

miko2d · « **Reply #17 on:** January 07, 2003, 09:48:01 AM »

LePaul: Sideline: Where can you find a high capacity clip for a 10/22? The rotary clip leaves a lot to be desired.

Check http://rimfirecentral.com/forums - probably the most comprehensive 10/22 community forum and resource.
I am certainly going to get one of those - probably before getting the Mini, since the choices are much more clearer here.

miko

LePaul · « **Reply #18 on:** January 07, 2003, 09:57:03 AM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
LePaul: Sideline: Where can you find a high capacity clip for a 10/22? The rotary clip leaves a lot to be desired.

Check http://rimfirecentral.com/forums - probably the most comprehensive 10/22 community forum and resource.
I am certainly going to get one of those - probably before getting the Mini, since the choices are much more clearer here.

miko

Great link, thanks!

I've had my 10/22 for 20 years, anyone that's fired mine tries to buy mine away from me. I had a few of the plastic 30-round banana clips but those tend to crack and break after a few years.

I think the 10/22s are under $100 now...you can really soup them up into some para-military looking things. Someone had a setup with 2 of them, called the "Ultimate Squirrel Gun" where two were attached together and, well, looked more like an anti-aircraft gun. Ah, but those were the pre-Clinton days...

Yeager · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2003, 09:57:59 AM »

I owned a Ruger Mini-14 several years back. The receiver bolt would frequently carbon freeze requireing a hammer blow to break it free.

With scope, accuracy was bad past 75 yrds. At 200 yrds I couldnt hit a 3 meter plate with any predictablity.

miko2d · « **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2003, 10:02:26 AM »

LePaul: Those poor poor gangsters, so what's that leave them with for options? Paint pellets and Nerf guns?
lazs2: wouldn't be in the trouble they are in if they were pink and fuzzy looking...

You would be surprised. Last week an 17(?) year old ordered a pizza with intention to rob the delivery guy he has robbed previously!. The owner recognised the guy over the phone and two undercover policement went to perform the delivery. One of them got a toy gun (spray-painted black - as NYC laws mandate bright orange toy guns only) stuck to his head and the other blew the perp away.

So now you have a gun-related child death, police shooting, racial incident - the works. In a few weeks we will have a total ban on all things that can be confused for a pistol - toy guns (can be painted), chocolate guns, lighter guns - everything.
A robber will have easier time obtaining a real gun for his stick-up than a toy gun. Will probably hurt someone with it too... At worst he will use a real knife, which is more dangerous to a victim than a toy gun, even painted.

As far as I understand, the only thing that legislation would do - if it works as intended, which it never will - is to preserve life or a robber from accidental shooting.
It will certainly endanger victims and cause children to come up with unsafe self-made replacements for plastic toy guns.

miko

miko2d · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2003, 10:07:56 AM »

LePaul: I think the 10/22s are under $100 now...
About $180 new.

Someone had a setup with 2 of them, called the "Ultimate Squirrel Gun" where two were attached together and, well, looked more like an anti-aircraft gun.

You can get a Gatling-gun made of 8 10/22s. Plug 40 rd magazines into each and you have 240 rounds to play with.

miko

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #22 on:** January 07, 2003, 10:44:13 AM »

miko2d · « **Reply #23 on:** January 07, 2003, 11:05:16 AM »

lord dolf vader: 320

I was issued a Kalashnikov - with 30 rounds magazines... I guess when you life depends on keeping track of ammo, the brain develops a dedicated curcuit to perform calculations. Who knew it was still operational after all those years...

miko

Gman · « **Reply #24 on:** January 07, 2003, 01:02:02 PM »

LOL!

The AR15 isn't banned in Canada. I sell at least 50 a month, and own serveral myself.

In fact, I have a 14.5 Colt SOPMOD M4, with 4 position stock, ya that's right, the one you CAN'T have in the USA, unless you have yourself a class 3 license.

All AR series rifles fall into the "restricted use" category here is all, meaning you can't hunt with them, and are subject to storage laws; the same thing applies to handguns here.

rosco · « **Reply #25 on:** January 08, 2003, 08:09:50 PM »

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #26 on:** January 08, 2003, 09:35:54 PM »

10/22s can be had for $129 if you look around. I've seen a couple of stores running them at that price. Regular price is usually around $179.

And Miko... I don't know what to say other than I don't think you know as much about an AR-15 as you are letting on.

They are not complex. They do not have alot of parts. I seriously doubt that many guns have fewer parts... maybe the AK by a couple of pieces. I bought mine in peices (as in COMPLETELY in pieces) and put it together myself. There's nothing to it.

You can do the same for around $550 (Mine was $509). I just priced some Mini-14s last weekend and they were at $400.

I still don't know why NY would have a ban on the AR-15. As long as it met federal requirements for a semi auto weapon (no more than 2 ticks on the "assault" counter). Though... I can understand why California would (they are just plain stupid).

AKDejaVu

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #27 on:** January 08, 2003, 09:44:04 PM »

Just did a check of Ruger's web site.

MSRP for the Mini-14 is $636.

A Check of http://www.olyarms.com had their base model AR-15:

MSRP for an Olympic Arms "Plinker" AR-15: $595

The price difference just isn't what you'd think.

AKDejaVu

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #28 on:** January 08, 2003, 09:54:22 PM »

LOL! NY.. what a bunch of dorks:

48 (d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
49 weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
50 as:
51 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
52 models);
53 (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
54 (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
55 (iv) Colt AR-15;
56 (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;

S. 8234 8 A. 11535

1 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
2 (vii) Steyr AUG;
3 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
4 (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
5 Sweeper and Striker 12;

Good thing they didn't mention the M-1 in there. wew.

AKDejaVu

Airhead · « **Reply #29 on:** January 08, 2003, 10:24:07 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d

You can get a Gatling-gun made of 8 10/22s. Plug 40 rd magazines into each and you have 240 rounds to play with.

miko

Hmmm... 8 10/22s, each with a 40 rnd magazine equals 240???
I think people should have to pass a basic math test before they can buy firearms. I could just imagine Miko going "That's it kids, I fired my 240th round, the gatling gun is empty, so you can play Army with it!" then watching in horror as the kids wipe out his car with the additional 60 rounds....