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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2003, 12:25:01 AM »
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additional 60 rounds....


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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2003, 08:09:13 AM »
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Hmmm... 8 10/22s, each with a 40 rnd magazine equals 240???
I think people should have to pass a basic math test before they can buy firearms. I could just imagine Miko going "That's it kids, I fired my 240th round, the gatling gun is empty, so you can play Army with it!" then watching in horror as the kids wipe out his car with the additional 60 rounds....


  40*8=320
320-240=80
 
  I know I know, it was a typo :D

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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2003, 08:32:38 AM »
yep deja... good thing the gun banners are so stupid eh?  or is it just that their real point is simply to take any gun out of circulation for any excuse they think the women voters will buy?  

yeager..  I hve had only one jam in my mini 14 when a primer fell out of a chambered round.   I don't even clean the thing as much as I should.   With course, open sights it will easily group 2-3" at 75 yards..
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2003, 11:29:13 AM »
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40*8=320
320-240=80
 
  I know I know, it was a typo :D




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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2003, 05:51:11 PM »
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I know I know, it was a typo


He did it on purpose.

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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2003, 01:01:36 AM »
If you get a mini-14, fire the heaviest round you can find.  My mini-14 ranch rifle (fixed 6x scope for durability) will fire a 5 inch group at 100 yds from a concrete bench rest with lightweight ammo, and a 3-4 inch group at 100 yds with the heaviest stuff I could find.  I found that personally disappointing as I can fire my 7mm with a 1 inch group at 200 yds from the same rest, but the mini-14 has never claimed much accuracy.

It's durable and reasonably lightweight, although I've had the bolt stick a few times even when clean, requiring a hefty whack with a piece of wood or rubber mallot to unstick.

If you put a scope on it, get a durable one because that big clanky bolt whacking around underneath it will break cheap adjustable scopes.  Also, beware cheap 20-30 rd magazines as some won't feed properly.  I had to buy 3 to get one that fed properly.  Nothing a good gunsmith couldn't fix I suppose, but it was irritating at the time.

My brother's olympic arms AR-15 with the heavy barrel fires a 1 inch group at 100 yds so there is simply no comparison between the two when it comes to accuracy.  The mini won't get a second look from the anti-gun stormtroopers however (unless you have a 30 rd mag sticking out), which may be a good thing in a few years.

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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2003, 11:00:45 AM »
AKDejaVu: And Miko... I don't know what to say other than I don't think you know as much about an AR-15 as you are letting on.

 I admit that. I've read a few dozen pages and handled one, never disassembled. I would certainly consider buying one if I could own it. extra $1000 woule not be a big deal in such a serious matter - I only need one serious gun after all and the cost of ammo eventually exceeds the mere cost of a gun. I am not sure that a lower reeliability of an AR, especially when dirty woudl be a problem for me. I do not intend to fight a war with it.
 I would also love to own an M1A in .308 Win 7.62x51 NATO (and leave a .223 weapon for my wife) but that one is also banned.

I seriously doubt that many guns have fewer parts... maybe the AK by a couple of pieces.

 Ruger Mini which is based on M-14 is certainly one of them.


I still don't know why NY would have a ban on the AR-15.  As long as it met federal requirements for a semi auto weapon (no more than 2 ticks on the "assault" counter).  Though... I can understand why California would (they are just plain stupid).

 Socialism. Arbitrary decision. Democracy (not constitutional one) where every right is subject of a vote. This kind of philisophical stuff. They are not stupid - or at least they may only be called stupid for not outlawing a Mini along with AR. They do not thing it's a good idea for law-abiding citizens to have weapons. Period.

eagl: If you get a mini-14, fire the heaviest round you can find.

 Each rifle is unique in what kind of ammo it likes. Some people I know get 1MOA (1 inch at 100 yards) with hand-loaded 40 grain bullets.
 Did you stock-bed yours? Replaced gas bushing?

 Accuirised Mini may and with heavy barrel certainly would shoot under 1" groups with good ammo. But it will not be as light as the original with a  heavy barrel.

 miko
« Last Edit: January 10, 2003, 11:09:39 AM by miko2d »

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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2003, 02:40:47 PM »
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I seriously doubt that many guns have fewer parts... maybe the AK by a couple of pieces.

Ruger Mini which is based on M-14 is certainly one of them.[/b]
I don't know... I honestly don't think its possible to get much more simple without having a single trigger to bolt mechanism.  The AR-15 has only 2 real moving parts below the bolt, with 2 pins.  Its pretty simple.  Then there's the bolt and the recoil spring.   Not much more too it than that.

No slide on the trigger or safety mechanism... nada.

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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2003, 03:34:18 PM »
What eagl said, get some nice 77 gr .223 rounds, they'll fly a lot straighter in the ruger.

New toys, did somebody say HK? :p






If you guys think Cali and NY have goofy laws, check out the Canadian Firearms Center if you want to laugh for an hour or two.

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« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2003, 03:57:18 PM »
If you guys think Cali and NY have goofy laws, check out the Canadian Firearms Center if you want to laugh for an hour or two.

 At least Canadians never obtained those rights and then lost them. They were nice little subjects and still are. I bet that if Canada revolted in 1776 and 13 colonies stayed loyalists, by now Canada would have had 300 mil people and biggest economy in the world and US area would have been a sparcely populated place.

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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2003, 04:01:25 PM »
eagl: If you put a scope on it, get a durable one because that big clanky bolt whacking around underneath it will break cheap adjustable scopes.

 Smaller gas bushing and recoil buffer take care of most such problems. Also improves bullet velocity and recoil/flip.

 Also, beware cheap 20-30 rd magazines as some won't feed properly.

 5-rd mags in NYC. 10 rd in NY State, I think.


 Apparently a knowlegeable person can assemble AR-15 from parts rather inexpensively while Mini you have to buy as is. I will certainly try to assemble AR once I move out of NYC.

 miko
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« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2003, 04:28:19 PM »
Don't forget that Miko is talking about the Mini 30 which fires 7.62x39 NOT .223.

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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2003, 04:32:42 PM »
Most likely I'll go with a .223  (5.56x45 NATO) Mini-14 but I have not made a final decision yet.

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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2003, 05:13:52 PM »
I'll look into mods if I have time.  As it is now though, if I want to guarantee a hit on something small, I pull out the 10/22, and if I want to hit something big, I pull out the 7mm.  The mini is for shooting coyotes and the like, both 4-legged and 2-legged variants.
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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2003, 05:26:53 PM »
If yer gonna shoot .30 go for a M1 Garand Tanker.  Best damned battlefield impliment ever devised!

Years back I purchased a CAR-15 for 450$.  After Bill Clinton pushed through the Assault Weapons ban I sold the damned thing for 1800$ and turned around and bought a PCR-5 (same damned gun without telescoping butt or bayonet lug plus two more inches on the barrel) for 550$...its location is currently unknown (WINK WINK).

I used to own an M1 Garand and thought the world of it.  Problem was its size and weight.  Im one of those little guys so lugging the damned thing around proved unfeasable so I traded it for a pristine M1 Carbine.  That one is in my closet :)  Perfect fit!

I wouldnt own a 7.62x39 shooter for anything.  I used to work with an old guy that took 3 of those damned slugs in the abdomin in some smelly place called vietnam.  All it did was piss him off.  Go for 30-06 or 5.56 or dont bother  IMO
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