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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2003, 12:31:45 PM »
3 guys seem to have me getting under their skins. One can never play, his 600mhz is left in the dust, one will never play and hopes ww2ol fails and one thinks it was ok to totally disrupt the Forums and try to destroy the access for others.


Want my telephone number, to phone and equate the forum post here with some sort of real life retaliation. I am dealing with adults, right? :D




Rave on guys, it changes nothing.

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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2003, 12:33:00 PM »
3 guys seem to have me getting under their skins. One can never play, his 600mhz is left in the dust, one will never play and hopes ww2ol fails and one thinks it was ok to totally disrupt the Forums and try to destroy the access for others.


Want my telephone number, to phone and equate the forum post here with some sort of real life retaliation? I am dealing with adults, right? :D




Rave on guys, it changes nothing.

HC

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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2003, 12:42:01 PM »
The day CRS cancelled the open beta they'd been collecting REGISTRATIONS for, I started doubting the whole project.

When it was finally launched, the huge disaster convinced me never to waste my money on that product.

Maybe it can be tweaked to run at piss-poor fps on a top-of-the line computer (at minimum graphics at that.) Who cares hardcase?

A game is not playable unless it has a minimum of 60fps average. A fast paced game should never dip under 60. If it does it degrades gameplay.

Maybe with advances in computer technology, WW2OL will reach that level before it dies off. My guess however is that it'll never live that long.

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« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2003, 12:46:53 PM »
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A game is not playable unless it has a minimum of 60fps average. A fast paced game should never dip under 60. If it does it degrades gameplay.


Oh toejam! Aces High is not playable! What have I been doing wasting my time with my piss poor 30-45 FPS? shreck it... I'm cancelling my account now.
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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2003, 12:54:22 PM »
That's one opinion.

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« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2003, 01:07:12 PM »
Creamo bleated:

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Why post like your talking down to a bunch of fools?


Considering your part of the target audience it just makes sense to play down to the lowest denominator.

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« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2003, 04:13:04 PM »
Sandman I used to play AH at 30-45 fps too, when I had geforce2 MX SDR and I was in heavy smoke or buggy h2h map..

I didn't consider it playable though.

Only after I upgraded to ti200 I could play AH on a level which I consider playable = no visible slowdowns at any given situation.

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« Reply #127 on: January 11, 2003, 04:43:43 PM »
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Want my telephone number, to phone and equate the forum post here with some sort of real life retaliation? I am dealing with adults, right?


Ok, I have no clue what you're talking about. I do assume you were referring to me when you said "One wants to disrupt forum access." Quite the opposite. Watch this.

Reasons I will not play WWIIOL again.

1. Development cycle is too slow, and too many issues remain unresolved. "Soon" has taken on a completely different meaning in the world of CRS.

2. Even when the game works, it is not what I would call, "exciting". This is not a dig on others who like it, simply my opinion. I run in real life, and I can say CRS has perfectly captured the feel of a lonely run. Trouble is, I do it for real and don't need a simulated version of it.

3. To me it is still glorified "capture the flag". Sure, it has variations on the theme (attrition), but that is what it is.

4. Locked where it is, the game is too easy or too hard, depending on the side or genre you play. It misses the "sweet spot" by a mile. Problem there is if you go for balance, it becomes more of a game. If you make it real, you make it more unbalanced (and more boring/frustrating). Pretty much a lose/lose.

5. Historic imbalance has been traditionally exacerbated by CRS's baffling tendency to introduce units for one side without introducing their historic counterparts. Axis AAA for six months without an Allied eqivalent?

6. Clipping is still a major flaw.

7. Damage model is still highly suspect.

8. Scoring appears to be FUBAR. Some players squint their eyes and say, "maybe someone damaged it before you got there" over and over despite mounting empirical evidence, but I can't turn my eyes from it. Score is integral to the game- no score, no rank, no advanced rides. It becomes pointless to play.

9. Tech support is virtually non-existant... at least, CRS support. Players have filled the gaps.

Wife just called for supper, or I could go on. You get the point, though. Now... let's see how long it takes you to deny all of the above... and then we can discuss who's denying access to the forum. ;)

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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #128 on: January 11, 2003, 08:47:45 PM »
Heh I wrote a quite long post about our squad (70-80ppl), systems we're running like static TS-server running in server of the HTK, RL meetings around the Finland (1st was in Porvoo, 2nd was in Helvetinjärvi (Hell's Lake) national park, 3rd in Helsinki and next weekend in Jyväskylä) but then I thought why bother.

Gotta open another bottle of Chech beer, laters :)

btw real Budweiser ain't no U.S beer :p

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« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2003, 08:53:22 PM »
Staga and Fishu: What I'm really surprised about is how two finns wen't into that horrid abomination of a game.

I thought finns are quite reasonable folks.

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« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2003, 09:17:29 PM »
Ah, but Staga... I am very quick to acknowledge others may have fun.

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« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2003, 10:37:48 PM »
Damn, and here I am having fun in there. Some machines can't play it, some ppl don't want to play a slower paced but deeper gameplay than BF42 etc, some can't keep their comps up to date, some won't listen, some haven't played in a year and still profess to know how it plays for everyone, some ppl think they know how to code when they have no idea of the issues involved. Damn, there I am having fun.

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« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2003, 10:56:58 PM »
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Staga and Fishu: What I'm really surprised about is how two finns wen't into that horrid abomination of a game.

I thought finns are quite reasonable folks.


Some people like Counter-Strike and some like more realistic games like Ghost-Recon and OFP; I made my decision and thats it.

btw MrSid I'm sorry you think we made bad decision, I hope you can get over it and continue your life :)

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« Reply #133 on: January 12, 2003, 04:03:38 AM »
Hard perhaps an analogy would help. First lets admit theres loads of crap games out there. Second lets admit some people do enjoy ww2ol, and some don't. So why do you and CRS get such a reaction on the AH BBS... well a long long time ago:

Little Johnny was walking through the market, and chanced upon a new baker selling his wares. The baker said "Johnny, buy my sandwich, its the best tasting sandwich you'll ever have", Johnny said "How much Mr Baker", "$40 Johnny". Johnny said "$40?!?!" for sandwich?.

"Ahh but" the baker said, "Johnny, $40 gets you into the towns only sandwich club, as a member you can have as many wonder sandwichs as you like for $10 a month"

Johnny wasn't sure, but in the end Mr Baker promised the sandwich would have great flavours, textures, and leave him satisfied over and over. So Johnny bought the sandwich, paid his $40, and the extra $10 to be in the special club. He found a nice big oak tree and unwrapped his sandwich to bite into... his mouth water, anticipation flowed through his taste buds, he bit... Mmmm... ugghhhh... ewww he cried... "Its toejam".

Johnny stormed back to the baker. "You sold me a toejam sandwich". The baker frowned, "sorry Johnny, we just didn't have time this morning after baking the bread, and well you see the landlord is demanding the rent today, so we needed your $40, give me a few weeks and come back and I assure you the sandwich I promised will be waiting". Johnny wasn't sure, but the baker looked nice enough and Johnny felt sorry for him as the other bakers weren't making any sandwiches. "OK" Johnny said.

Three weeks later Johnny decided to check in on the baker again."oh hello johnny" the baker said, "yes we have the wonder sandwich ready for you. So Johnny took his sandwich off to the big Oak tree, he sat down bit in and "arggggghhh its toejam, again!".

Johnny stormed back to the Baker, "sorry Johnny, we're doing the best we can, hey there aren't any other bakers making sandwiches so you'll just have to settle for our toejam sandwich or nothing at all". Johnny threw the sandwich at the Baker. "Screw you".

12 months later Johnny was sitting at home, playing BF1942 when a knock came at the door. It was the baker. "YOU!" said Johnny. "Hi" said the baker, "johnny, we'd like you to come back and take another shot at our sandwich". "Not on your life" said Johnny. "Its free for 3 weeks", said the Baker.

Johnny pondered, he sniffed at the baker, yes there was still that lingering smell... johnny thought twice "I've taken a mouthful of your sandwich twice already, and you still smell like toejam" and slammed the door shut.

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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #134 on: January 12, 2003, 04:49:00 AM »
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3 guys seem to have me getting under their skins. One can never play, his 600mhz is left in the dust, one will never play and hopes ww2ol fails and one thinks it was ok to totally disrupt the Forums and try to destroy the access for others.
Umm... its way more than three.  They just seem to be the guys dedicated to pointing it out to you.

Try this excercise...

For every time you've told someone how to "tweak their system" to get the game to run... for every time you've ridiculed someone for not knowing how to solve a minor game proble... for every time you've said "our community doesn't need you"... there's someone just like those 3 guys.

I'd ask you to do the math there... but I do believe you'd plea the "I can't recall" senility that seems to accompany your posts.

So keep coming back and trying to convince us how much fun you're having over at WWIIOn-Line.  Eventually you might start believing it.

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