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Offline gofaster

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« on: January 03, 2003, 08:45:04 AM »
Got a kit of a Panzer diorama for Christmas last year and recently dug it out while putting away this year's Christmas stuff.  Now that the GV element is becoming a more integral part of Aces High, I've been doing more gv stuff and I've decided to build the 1/72 scale kit (came with soldiers and a little base plate - not bad, really).

I've never built scale armour kits before, but I have built a lot of WW2 aircraft kits and ship models.  Typically, when I build a plane, the last step is painting and decaling, but when studying the instructions for the Panzer it recommends painting the parts first and then assembling the kit.  Is this really the better way to go?  Wouldn't there be a problem with exposed seams and such?

Also, how should I paint the treads so that they look realistic?  Should I go with a base coat of silver or steel and then wash with black paint, or should I wash with brown, or should base coat be brown with steel "flecks" on the edges of the treads?  What works best for this?

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2003, 09:57:09 AM »
Hi Gofaster.  Do you use an airbrush on the aircraft models?  I've not built tank models, but I have a friend who has.  He even went so far as to make shell holes in the armor plating using a hot wire, and then painted around the shell hole area using flat black for the smoked part, with tiny silver flecks around that, to show exposed metal from the shell bites.  

My limited model building experience...it's always better to paint individual parts before assembly on the tree.   For me, assembly is easier with the parts painted ahead of time.

I would handle the treads like this:

Paint yellow ochre mixed with some flat black...with flat black accents here and there.  Then, (and this is the hard part), figure out a way to fill between the treads with modeler's putty, and paint that flat orange so it resembles red clay.  This step would have to be done so the treads could be assembled while the putty was still not dried.  Probably very difficult to do.  Then use judicious amounts of the putty in the wheels and under the treads, and paint orange after it's dry.

I would use real red clay dirt on the road bed, after first modeling tread marks and ruts in the road.  Plastiline clay (oil based) would be ideal for the foundation.  For a muddy effect, I would use very small pieces of  mirror to simulate water in puddles.

Depending on the size of the diorama, a tree is a definite possibility, with maybe some talls weeds along the side of the road.  Hobby shops sell great diorama trees, bushes, grass, etc...   Sage brush would take some imagination to do.


It would take a lot of patience to do right.  





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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2003, 10:07:54 AM »
I hadn't even thought of adding mud, but that's certainly something that I'll have to figure out, unless I go with a desert scene (probably the easy way out, too).  I like the idea of adding battle damage - I have a Dremel rotary tool with a collection of bits that might be fun to mess with to create the scrapes and divots in the armor from enemy shell fire.

I have an airbrush but haven't used it (got it 3rd hand at a garage sale, no compressor tho).  When I build airplanes, they're usually in 1/72 scale and I can get away with brush painting the camo.  I may just spray the Panzer in simple one-color desert camo, but I haven't really thought that far ahead.

My biggest concern is getting the details right on the treads and figuring out how to paint them.

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2003, 10:24:22 AM »
You would paint it the same way you paint an Aircraft. Leave the road wheels off and paint the whole vehicle paint the road wheels at the same time but leave them off. then paint the rubber tires and start doing detial paining on the tank its self.

Basically its the same as an aircraft. But you have to leave yourself the flexiblility to paint and mount the track after the rest of the vehicle is painted.

There are some good articles on track colour at http://www.hyperscale.com

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2003, 03:29:54 PM »
Thanks for the link, Pongo.  I'll check it out.

The exact kit I'm starting with is "1/72 PzKw III & Dt. Panzergrenadiere - RVL 03155" by Revell of Germany on http://www.ehobbies.com for $9.99.  I also have 4 more: the Pzkw V, an M7 Priest, an M4 Sherman, and a M16 halftrack.  All are part of the same series and come with soldier figures and some sort of diorama display base.  I'll probably ditch the bases that came with the kits and build the Panzers up into some sort of North Africa scene.  The Sherman came with a partially-blown bridge that's kind of interesting.  

I started cutting the pieces of the Panzer away from the sprue today during lunch.  I didn't realize how many tiny little wheels there were that needed to be glued together.  I dropped 2 or 3 of them and they quickly blended in with the black rug under my chair.  Being molded in dark green, it took some time to find the pieces.  I got'em all, though.

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2003, 05:18:23 PM »
Here is a great website with many tips and tricks for building scale armor kits. If you have an airbrush you have a definate advantage, but alot can be done with bristles.

http://www.armorama.com/
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2003, 05:19:37 PM »
check this out, pretty good stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2003, 04:09:38 PM »
Thanks for the link!

Most everything I needed to know for painting reference is in that single photo you attached above, and I can use the link you provided in the other thread to match the paint tones.  Now I just need to figure out how the weathering was done.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2003, 12:47:16 AM »
Gofaster, invest in a Series 707 Winsor & Newton sable brush...size 0.  It is expensive, about $20 bucks.  But will serve you well.  It keeps a point and is great for detail painting.

When you clean it, never pull on the hairs, as it will loosen them from the ferrul.  Clean with mineral spirits and then wipe on a paper towel, never pull on the hairs, but rotate gently and clean thusly, bringing to a point.  Next, finish up with soap (like you're washing your hands), and move the brush in the palm of your hand.  Rinse by holding the brush under the water flow from the faucet, and then place on a paper towel to dry.

Ready for use within 3 or 4 hours.:)



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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2003, 05:42:28 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2003, 07:49:19 AM »
Had a friend that loved doing this stuff. His girlfriend however thought he was childish and constatly teased him about it.

She shut up when he asked her why she had all those 'collector's item dolls'. :D

'Twas cute. Be childlike for as long as you can, and life will be a long adventure.

Where to go for a complete newbie? Loved doing that stuff as a kid, might be fun still.

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2003, 08:32:17 AM »
Here is another method I use for weathering.

Instead of starting with a dark base coat I use a color that best matches what the real bare metal would look like, for Aircraft I often use an 'Aluminum' color. I then coat the metal base with Future floor polish with a general purpose airbrush, you can find one for $10-$20 at a local hobby store. The polish is a clear acrylic coat that dries in about 20minutes it protects the metal finish from thinners and later light sandings. Next, using a detail airbrush I paint a dark grey pencil line following all panel lines and any recesses that may provide shadow, I dont coat the entire surface. Next I use a slightly wider stream from the airbrush for the final coat of paint but I spray all panels and complete surfaces seperately. I dont just coat indiscriminently (sp) it gives a sort of uneven evenness to it.
where there are edges, protrusions, or rivets that would be bare metal I sand lightly with very fine paper to reveal the Future protected bare-metal finish, for panel lines I use a sharpened tooth pick to score away the final coat to reveal the metal finish. When Im happy with that I'll coat it with Future again and then do the black wash, then a final clear coat.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2003, 08:35:09 AM »
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Gofaster, invest in a Series 707 Winsor & Newton sable brush...size 0.  It is expensive, about $20 bucks.  But will serve you well.  It keeps a point and is great for detail painting.


I'll look for that brush!  The finest point I have now is courtesy of a photographic brush used for doing touch-up work on 4x6 photos.  Its 20 years old and still has a fine point, but its brother (same brush but didn't take as good a care of it) has flared out into a wider point, so its just a matter of time before I have no fine-point brushes.

The weather improved last weekend enough for me to get a base coat of Dark Tan on the kit, then I realized that it was the wrong shade.  My local hobby shop didn't have the right one so I've ordered 2 cans of Testor's Model Master Afrika Mustard from http://www.ehobbies.com.  Afrika Mustard is probably not the exact shade either, but its closer than what I sprayed on it before and absolute historic accuracy isn't as important to me as being practical.  

I have a kit of a Panzer V (same Revell of Germany series as the Panzer III) that I'm going to build parallel to this Panzer III as I think it'll be easier to do both at the same time since they share common components and assembly materials.  I'll display both together in a generic Afrika Corps diorama, using the soldier figures that come with the kits.  The only knock is that the soldier figures are molded in soft plastic that bends easily and can't be sanded without causing "skin peel".  According to the little history blurb in the instructions, both tanks served in Africa and Italy so it shouldn't be too much of a stretch in artistic license to display both models together.