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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2003, 07:53:35 AM »
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I.... but folks who do NOT work or contribute would also get a check.


of course they would, that is their voting base
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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2003, 08:23:59 AM »
Toad, Ripsnort, that's a bit of a simplistic view of it.

give credit where credit is due or at least try to portray what is happening as objectively as possible. You may all hate the democrats (although I know Ripsnort says he votes on issues not party political lines. Still it would be best to not misrepresent the other side if one is to have broad credibility across political lines.

Their proposed tax cuts target a different demographic group - or at least that is their intent. Whether it's true or not I won't comment on, more than it's the same lies all politicians produce - furthering their own agenda by hiding it in big words and platitudes.

Anyway for them it's too much and too little at the same time. Too much for the rich, too little for the middle class American.

Rip, not a flame mate, but you say you vote on issues and not along party lines, yet it seems you take very opportunity given to belittle the Democratic party. Understand that I am enither a democrat or Republican so I haven't got a vested interest. While you may not be biased (and I do believe you vote on issues) sometimes you come across as a die hard Republican masquerading as an 'objective' issue voting person. This is just my observation however - no insult intended. toejame, I hate commenting like this on people I respect.

Toad and Rip, I know a tongue in cheek comment with some seriousness behind it when I see it. Nice job :).

Oooh, I got a question btw. The democrats suggest giving tax breaks to people who do not pay taxes. How's this supposed to work? If you have nothing to get a break on, you'll get nothing in return. or are they suggesting taking someone elses tax break and giving to people who aren't contributing to society by way of taxes? That's just plain wrong.

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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2003, 08:27:29 AM »
Santa, why SHOULDN'T the rich get a tax cut? The top 1% pay something like 80% of the taxes!  The bottom 5% pay NO taxes. Naturally it only makes sense to give the folks paying the highest taxes a tax break. They're going to spend the money, and 70% of our ecomony relies on spending!

Incidently, I've NEVER been employed by a poor man. ;)

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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2003, 12:15:01 PM »
race or class ... which card are the dumbacrats playing today ??
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« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2003, 12:38:32 PM »
All rich people suck and do not deserve to have or keep the money they worked for...... just because!

Who am I?

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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2003, 12:58:01 PM »
I've heard that argument before.  Numerous times.  I hear it, in fact, every time a tax cut is proposed.  

Funny thing is, I got a tax cut in the fall of '01, and I am definitely NOT rich.  Not unless you include Arkansas teachers in the ranks of the wealthy.

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« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2003, 01:08:11 PM »
The higly liberal, leftist Chicago Tribune editorial board doesn't think it's that smart an idea either.

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« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2003, 02:32:27 PM »
This is a VERY simple way to understand the tax laws.

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner.
The bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go
something like this.

The first four men-the poorest-would pay nothing;
The fifth would pay $1:
The sixth would pay $3;
The seventh $7;
The eighth $12;
The ninth $18.
The tenth man-the richest-would pay $59.

That's what they decided to do.
The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement-until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going
to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20."

So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still eat for free.
But what about the other six-the paying customers?
How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"
The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.
But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the
fifth man and the sixth man would end up being *paid* to eat their meal.

So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59.
Each of the six was better off than before.
And the first four continued to eat for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their
savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man.
"I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got seven
times more than me!""That's true!" shouted the seventh man.

"Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get
all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison.
"We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the  nine sat down and ate without him.
But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered
something important.
They were $52 short!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction.  Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.
Unfortunately, Liberals cannot grasp this straight.

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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2003, 03:41:24 PM »
Ripsnort, do you have a reference to the 1% pays 80% of taxes bit? This seems rather much.

My post wasn't really about taxes. Just a friendly observation about how you might be perceived :)

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« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2003, 06:44:08 PM »
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« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2003, 06:47:53 PM »
BTW, Santa, I just find it humorous that the same folks that were screaming that a tax cut was the WORST possible solution are now touting .... tah-dah......... ANOTHER TAX CUT!

Gotta love politics. I'd be laughing just as hard if the other side did a complete back-flip reversal too.
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