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Offline Wlfgng

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2003, 03:14:01 PM »
we're talking about a game here right?
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Offline 28sweep

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2003, 03:19:35 PM »
A sim like this one or Il2 are much more than games....they tell a story.  Its disrespectful and wrong to misrepresent history like that and BTW....I talking about early Korean war.  Oh, and about the Mig-15.  I seem to rember that the Engine was the real Gem of that airplane and it was ripped off directly from a British design.....you don't think those commie's could ever design anything good by themselvs??
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2003, 03:22:17 PM »
The Mig-15 and the F-86 were both superb aircraft, but were built to different design specifications.  The Sabre weighed about 4,000 pounds more than the Mig, so it wasn't as maneuverable and had a lower combat ceiling.

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2003, 03:23:41 PM »
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Well, if you read Soviet sources, it seems it was the other way around. 28Sweep, you seem just as indoctrinated. Who says US sources are right and all others are wrong ?

Communist pilots ? That makes US pilots imperialist, eh ? What's next ? Nazi 109s ?

AFAIK, Korea was jets, mainly F86 vs MiG 15, right ?


Hristo, in an earlier thread I pointed out the true test of IL2s FM would be the US planes. There is enough hard data around, and planes still flying, to verify all the facts.

It is quite obvious there are some 'issues' with the LW models. This point of contention has been hard to resolve due to 60 year old flight testing.

If the US models, of which many are still flying, including many in non-US countries, do not perform either to the reported WW2 spec, or even compare with existing flying aircraft, then the LWeenies argument is validated.

FB and the US aircraft will be the acid-test for the LW arguments.

And no, Korea was not mainly jets, lotsa Ponies operated there.
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Offline 28sweep

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2003, 03:47:38 PM »
Hey Vulcan....+ F4u-4's darn it...BTW he's already failed the test if he has said that "US Planes were Markedly inferior."
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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2003, 03:52:29 PM »
US planes in Il-2 a true test ? Yes, I tend to agree to a point, actually. A true test on Soviet data on mentioned planes, but not more than that.

So far I've seen Oleg's posts where he states some fairly low airspeeds for P51 (410 mph for short periods, if I remember correctly). Also, he said if you expect the P47 to be great low level dogfighter, you are in for a nasty surprise. However, he said that at high alt P51 is better than 109K (which he seems to qualify as one of the best planes of the war). We'll know more in February.

LW planes have their share of problems, but the thing seems to be blown out of proportion aswell. I'll name few: engine overheats far quicker on LW planes than VVS (recent discussion at UBI shows just how wrong this is), G-6 is unbelieveably poor plane for unknown reason, sometimes Yaks don't get engine damage, 190 compresses much more than in AH. All this is my experience, I might even be wrong, but I know that Il-2 qualities outweigh them (for me). Not much different than AH issues, if you ask me. Still, I can hold my own fairly well in 190 even against cheating AI. I even remember being accused of liking Il-2 because LW planes are uber there (it was on this board ;)). No, I like it because of its accuracy and attention to detail.

What annoys me is the cliche statements of 'propaganda and lies', a sim 'trying to rewrite history', 'communist' etc. So, they made such a great sim, but it is in fact a plot to undermine Western planes and show how good Soviet planes actually were. Now, why would someone do that ? Maybe Oleg is just doing promotion for Russian aircraft industry ? ;)
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2003, 03:54:46 PM »
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A sim like this one or Il2 are much more than games....they tell a story. Its disrespectful and wrong to misrepresent history like that


Mmmm Hollywood are you listening? :rolleyes:
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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2003, 04:02:57 PM »
LMFAO Revvin...

Total Ownage.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2003, 04:05:05 PM »
Hristo-

I think you have to put things in context with regards to Oleg or anyone who was raised in a society of disinformation.  He may truely believe the information he is using is correct.  And if you think that this has changed,, it has not.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2003, 04:15:44 PM »
I'm sotckpiling tissues for ya'll US pileits...  :D
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2003, 04:19:43 PM »
Hahahah, a good game just got better!
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2003, 04:34:47 PM »
But all you get is a pretty expensive turd.

Will FB have power ups?
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2003, 04:42:09 PM »
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Originally posted by 28sweep
A sim like this one or Il2 are much more than games....they tell a story.  Its disrespectful and wrong to misrepresent history like that and BTW....I talking about early Korean war.  Oh, and about the Mig-15.  I seem to rember that the Engine was the real Gem of that airplane and it was ripped off directly from a British design.....you don't think those commie's could ever design anything good by themselvs??


Neither were designed "By themselves" both had Nazi help.Its ok that the Sabre had a Brit derived engine but the Soviets are stupid if they used it?
And yes the Soviets did design many good things by themselves.

It is convienent to think they were all brain washed fools I guess. But the fact is that at thier design alts the Soviet fighters were mean aircraft. Crude by 1944-45 western standards but very effective.
Oleg had some very uncomplementery brit and US stats on the pony that he posted to support his opinion of it.....Saying he is afraid stalin will get him wont make those go away.
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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2003, 04:54:24 PM »
I found a page containing US victories in the Korean War, and I could only find 8 F-51vs Yak3/9 kills :confused:
It doesn't state how many were lost, but even if it were non, a 8-0 ratio is hard to justify as "owning" when we are talking about a period of 1 year+.

Anyway in AH I'd much rather be the Yak in a Yak vs. P51 fight. I must be biased. :)

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2003, 05:18:42 PM »
Hristo-

If memory serves, the LW planes of the current Il-2 are not the same as the LW planes of the early iteration of Il-2... hasn't there been a fm revision since then? I seem to remember (and it wasn't you) an "Oleg is GOD!" poster who would come here and tell everyone how perfect the Il-2 fm was... and then it was patched.

Anyway, I'm with you, what in the world is the difference even if it does wind up biased? I mean, in the grand scheme of things, I just don't think it will matter to me, anyway.
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