Author Topic: I smell a RAT (Oleg Maddox)……. (Read 1928 times)

28sweep · « **on:** January 07, 2003, 12:54:47 PM »

From the IL2 bbs:

Unfortunately Oleg has made it clear that his research shows that US planes were markedly inferior to both the German and Russian planes and that the US's performance in our inferior planes was only because of the excellent training of our pilots.

Markedly inferior!! I see posts like these bubbling up over-there more and more. I suspect its because FB's release date is approaching and it will include P-47's, P-40's, and P-51's. I have heard a lot of complaining from the LW folks from the day Il2 was released and I've heard many complaints here/ and there about the Uber Russians planes in IL2. They are coming to dominate the sim market with Il2, FB's and even LockOn and I am becoming more suspicious of Oleg and the crew. Hell LockOn will feature like 6 flyable Russian planes and only 2 from NATO. I've heard rumors that the F-15 is very inferior to the Mig29. All I got to say is that the F-15 is like 200-0 in combat….REAL COMBAT. What's the Mig29's record? I've read that the La-7's would come apart in mid air because of poor construction. Ever drive a Russian built car??? The more I read coming out of Moscow the more I appreciate HT's impartiality (no one is perfect). What are Oleg's sources?? TAS maybe…remember them? Would anyone believe anything coming from official Soviet sources??? Oleg is from a country with a very long heritage of honesty and virtue….LOL!!!

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2003, 12:57:00 PM »

P39 is American built and flies just fine in Il2...

Why not wait until the release of FB to see how it pans out?
-SW

Kieran · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2003, 12:58:46 PM »

And I would add... why worry? Would it be surprising if a company based in Russia biased its aircraft towards Russian birds? It just isn't a big deal IMHO, even if it is true.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2003, 01:07:37 PM »

Its the classic example of using one nation's military data to model aircraft. With a leader that would execute people for performance shortcomings, do you really think there wouldn't be bias? Especially given who was in charge during that period.

The real question would be if whether or not they have the P-39 out-performing the P-51 and P-47.

AKDejaVu

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2003, 01:10:04 PM »

The engines of Russian fighters were rated for maximum performance at low levels so that they could support the Red Army's offensives. German fighter engines were rated for maximum performance at higher altitudes. Consequently, Russian fighters were shot down in droves by the Germans. If German fighters got suckered into combat at lower altitudes they paid the price.

If Il-2 does not reflect these facts, then something is wrong with its' programming.

Shuckins

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2003, 01:12:16 PM »

Il2's engine degredation as alt increases does not exist.

This is reportedly in FB and supposedly makes a huge difference according to beta testers.

In ~2 months, we shall see.
-SW

Hristo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2003, 01:28:23 PM »

is this a pre-whine ?

ra · « **Reply #7 on:** January 07, 2003, 01:41:49 PM »

No way US planes should be able to handle late war USSR planes in a low altitude furball, which Il-2 is. Anyone thinking the P-51 will be able to handle the La-7 on the deck is in for a nasty surprise. That may be the type of inferiority he's referring to. Long range and good high altitude performance were the hallmarks of the late war US planes, and those characteristics don't translate into good furballing in a sim.

ra

LePaul · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2003, 01:48:40 PM »

Now come now, you don't think ole Oleg's data might have some Cold War Propoganda spiked in there, do ya?

No surprise...really. So he thinks his planes are the best. Fine.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2003, 02:17:54 PM »

Oedipus, that account does nothing to say that P51s will outmanuever Yaks or vice versa... it just says that those Americans jumped the wrong planes.
-SW

gatt · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2003, 02:47:29 PM »

Scared to have your jug and pony arses badly kicked at medium and low altitudes?

28sweep · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2003, 02:55:06 PM »

Look to the Korean war for more examples. American pilots (P-51,F4u-4) owned communist pilots flying Yak-9's and Lag-9's. Enough said..........Oleg is trying to rewrite history....

Hristo · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2003, 03:01:40 PM »

Well, if you read Soviet sources, it seems it was the other way around. 28Sweep, you seem just as indoctrinated. Who says US sources are right and all others are wrong ?

Communist pilots ? That makes US pilots imperialist, eh ? What's next ? Nazi 109s ?

AFAIK, Korea was jets, mainly F86 vs MiG 15, right ?

Kieran · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2003, 03:03:14 PM »

Not in the early months before the Chinese became involved. But I agree, nothing wrong with a sim written from a Russian perspective.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #14 on:** January 07, 2003, 03:06:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Hristo

AFAIK, Korea was jets, mainly F86 vs MiG 15, right ?

I distinctly remember reading that the MIG15 to outclimb, out turn the F86, but the F86 had better pilots, and could dive better. (shrugs) US perspective naturally.