Friends of I.G. Farben

[Dowding (Work)]

I fully intend to Guntr. I read alot more books than I watch films, and I've always found that films based on books tend to be very disappointing.

So I'm going to wait until I've all three films. Why spoil a movie with a good book?

[john9001]

Originally posted by weazel

I personally am uncomfortable with the lack of integrity and morals displayed by generation after generation of the Kennedy family.
 

so true

[weazel]

"Hmmm... how come the stuff posted here for the liberal side is always scare tactic, "the other side is the devil" type stuff? Why don't we see more from the conservative side?"

It's about right and wrong, you've fallen into the same trap as so many others have.

We're Americans[/b]....and we're supposed to be better than this.

Gunthr, I believe it to be true, but I also believe that most dems have skeletons just as ugly in their closets.

Grunherz, since your just a wanna-be American I'll excuse your ignorance... but thanks for playing.

[GRUNHERZ]

Well to you every good american must think Bush is evil right? So then I'm not one of those...

[H. Godwineson]

Umm.  Too stupid for words.  No American company did business with Germany AFTER 1941.  Any company that did business with I.G. Farben did so before that date, while we were still at peace with Hitler's Germany.  Zyklon B manufactured by I.G. Farben was not used for the purpose of gassing Holocaust victims until late 1942.  It would have been more than a little hard for an American company to do business with a German company because of little things like a naval blockade, prowling wolf-packs, etc.  The government routinely seized the assets of German companies held by U.S. companies here in the United States during the war.  Undoubtedly, this is what happened to the Bush family.  Had they really been traitors, the government would have arrested them and put them on trial.

Put your brain in gear before posting this garbage.

Shuckins

[GRUNHERZ]

But it's his prescioussss....

[weazel]

1942 Three firms with which Prescott Bush is associated are seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

Your not an American until you've been naturalized grunherz.

[whgates3]

"...On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)

The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler."

Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the Nazi war industry. It too was seized as a Nazi-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of Nazi iron and explosives.

Prescott Bush was also a director of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, (this one owned largely by Roland's brother, Averell Harriman), which owned about a third of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the rest owned by Friedrich Flick, (a member of Himmler's "Circle of Friends" who donated to the S.S.).

Republican Presidential candidate Bush's great-grandfather, Bert Walker, helped organize the Harriman investment in the Hamburg-America Line of ships, of which grandfather Prescott became a director. It was seized on August 28, 1942 because it was used to give free passage to Nazi propaganda and propagandists, and had earlier shipped guns to the Nazi's private armies to assist their takeover of Germany.

Further examples would be more tedious than shocking. But, given these evil financial dealings, how did Prescott later become a Republican Senator, and George H.W. become President? Well,the two leading attorneys for these Bush-Harriman-Nazi deals were John Foster Dulles, later Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and Allen Dulles, future head of the CIA.

Prescott's father, Samuel P. Bush, owned Buckeye Steel Castings Co. which made parts for the Harriman brothers' father's (E.H. Harriman) railroads. Harriman's financing for the railroads came largely from William Rockefeller. These shipped the oil of his brother John D. Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil. (This was the origin of the two Georges' involvement in the oil business.)

Samuel Bush became a leader in President Woodrow Wilson's "War Socialism" as director of small armaments and ammunition on the War Industries Board (which set up coercive price-fixing cartels over American industry during World War I). There, Bush assisted Percy Rockefeller (son of William) in his takeover of small arms manufacturers.

The elder George Bush continued the family tradition of support for totalitarian governments by supporting the Communist Chinese in the UN, and by directly aiding its military as President.

Will the younger George Bush continue to support big government, or will he support free markets? His first political act was a tax increase to subsidize his baseball stadium. When libertarians and conservative Republicans were opposing the bailout of American banks that loaned money to the Mexican government, the Texas Governor supported it, because of his connections to those Wall Street Banks.

This is in keeping with the actual history of the Republican Party. It was founded in the 1850's explicitly as the party of high taxes to subsidize politically connected businesses, (then known as "internal improvements"). All Republican Presidents in the last fifty years have continued to increase the size of the government, and claims of support for free markets and lowered taxes are mere rhetorical cover..."

[GRUNHERZ]

I'm a naturalized US citizen for almost 7 years now...  In fact I've lived here longer than over there, so dont doubt for a second that I'm an American..

[H. Godwineson]

That act was passed, Einstein, to legalize the seizing of German assets held in trust by U.S. companies.  The government cannot simply seize property from private citizens or companies without cause.  That act legalized the seizure of these German assets.  Germany was one of our largest trading partners during the 1930s.  MANY American companies had business connections with German firms.  Such connections WERE NOT illegal.  Do not let the official title of the act fool you.  The majority of the companies that had assets seized were NOT enemies of the state.  Had they been, their owners would have almost certainly been arrested and tried, given the growing hatred of all things German or Japanese.

Erroll Flynn wasn't arrested either, even though he was a member of the American Nazi Party prior to the start of World War II.  If there was any meat to this issue I am certain it would have surfaced before now.

Shuckins

[Gunthr]

whgates3 -

Excerpt:

This is in keeping with the actual history of the Republican Party. It was founded in the 1850's explicitly as the party of high taxes to subsidize politically connected businesses, (then known as "internal improvements"). All Republican Presidents in the last fifty years have continued to increase the size of the government, and claims of support for free markets and lowered taxes are mere rhetorical cover..."

Your source, or a link please...

[whgates3]

it is all quoted from The Draheim Report
http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dra-cont.htm
in The Dallas Libertarian Post
http://www.lpdallas.org/post/index.html

...which sort of proves you dont have to be a left wing commie to dislike bush & the republican party. real conservatives cant stand him either

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm a naturalized US citizen for almost 7 years now...  In fact I've lived here longer than over there, so dont doubt for a second that I'm an American..

Are you 13 years old??

[Shuckins]

Do you really take Draheim seriously!?  After perusing some of his other articles at the site, I have come to the conclusion that he is a sensationalist, blowing the facts out of proportion in an effort to sell newspapers.  Note the title of some of his other articles:

Al Gore:  Enemy of All Mankind
Al Gore and the Hammer of Communism
Hey, Hey, President Bill, How Many People Will You Kill

What his motives are, outside of selling newspapers, are unknown, but may stem from the fact that he is a libertarian, and therefore somewhat outside the mainstream of American political thought.  

There's nothing wrong with being a libertarian, but like the Republicans and Democrats, they also have their radicals.

If there were any substance to his charges, we would have heard a great deal about it from the more rational members of the left.

Shuckins

[GRUNHERZ]

Im 22.  You become eligible for citizenship after five years living in the USA. I have been a citizen for some seven years.