Author Topic: HO's werent a part of WWII? (Read 1182 times)

Am0n · « **Reply #30 on:** January 07, 2002, 12:42:00 PM »

Im the total opposite Lephturn, a great shot but a lesser pilot.

I dont seek out HO's, avoid them when i have other advantages. But if its 2 vrs 1, or im in another inferior posisition you better believe my 8x50's are heated up.

HO's in the long run do me no good, i dont need to practice my gunnery i need to practice out manuvering my opponent.. all my hours of killing drones, BNZ & HO, took care of the gunnery part.

Thanks for the article/link, ive read it before but i'll read it again.. always good to have a refresher

Eaglecz · « **Reply #31 on:** January 08, 2002, 10:18:00 AM »

well lets have a look on HO`s.
When you are going for HO you are decided to give your oponent chance to kill you. But he do not have to accept this challenge. He can evade and he can die while evazive moves. But he can accespt HO. and now you both risk your owen arse.
Do you have reason to to risk when you know your and enmy.`s airplane ? Do you have reason to risk when you think that you are better then enmy ?

well but sometime when i see LA7 1 vs 1 and he run away from my Yak,Tiffie then i turn away and he is comeing back higer and make same sh|+ and running again ... then is time to show him HO.. hehe few days ago i got 2 LA7 sissy working together ... that poor high fast untoughtable LA7 was surprised that he lost HO with my tiffie

then i killed his friend and proud on my HO mastery i was RTB

sometime its fastest way how to kill those scared lames...
but in serious fight .. thank you i dont wanna HO

midnight Target · « **Reply #32 on:** January 08, 2002, 11:41:00 AM »

Well dangit, His head was TO me!

Wlfgng · « **Reply #33 on:** January 08, 2002, 11:58:00 AM »

The only time HO's really bother me is when odds are even or worse.. I.E. NME has more ac... and when a pilot in that position can do nothing but HO.

On the other hand, I agree with acceptance.
Learn to deal with it and take advantage of it.. I'm trying just that

J_A_B · « **Reply #34 on:** January 08, 2002, 03:41:00 PM »

"Fact: no plane in WWII had a force field out in front to deflect the big bad buwwets fired by the big ole "HO" meany.

Fact: planes shot at the front of other planes al the time in WWII. Just like they shot at the top, the bottom, the sides and the backs of them.

Fact: bullets hurt no matter what direction they were fired at you or hit you from.

Fact: They ARE easy enough to avoid in most circumstances.

Fact: The "it was not real ACM" diaper shod whiners will have to live with HO's. Here in AH anyway. And not only live with it but maybe even evolve by expending that energy spent "whining" into learning to handle and counter them in AH. "

Re-read this guys--it's right. ACM is all about maneuvering your plane into a position in which you can shoot the enemy--it doesn't matter if you aim for his front or rear end.

Comparing AW's "deflector shield" to AH is pointless. AW had no collision model so all AW HO's would involve firing until you actually flew through the enemy plane (joust warrior), plus AW's hit shells were so oversized that evasive maneuvers to avoid a HO were impossible. When HO's were enabled in AW you could literally open up from 2K away and expect to score hits. AH has the technology to allow frontal attacks without it dominating the game.

I don't "like" HO's either. Then again, I don't like being shot from ANY direction. There is one rule that you should always keep in mind when flying--if the enemy plane's nose is pointed at you and he's in range, expect to be shot at.

J_A_B

MrLars · « **Reply #35 on:** January 08, 2002, 04:06:00 PM »

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Originally posted by EagleC:

well but sometime when i see LA7 1 vs 1 and he run away from my Yak,Tiffie then i turn away and he is comeing back higer and make same sh|+ and running again ... then is time to show him HO.. hehe few days ago i got 2 LA7 sissy working together ... that poor high fast untoughtable LA7 was surprised that he lost HO with my tiffie

Any La7 pilot that uses a pure HO attack as part of their arsenal of moves will never have a K/D worth mentioning. That said, I use the HO in an La7 only if A) My target is turning toward me and is unable to get a 0g shot at me and B) When out numbered and my escape route is blocked. I do take high angle shots but with the piss poor balistics of the La's cannons and the short clip it's not wise unless you are sure of your gunnery skills.
Taking on any plane in a pure HO with an La7 is just plane stoopid!

Tumor · « **Reply #36 on:** January 08, 2002, 07:17:00 PM »

HO's will always be a topic of disgruntled interest. IMHO the only thing truly annoying about HO's is the constant drone about "how easy they are to avoid", which is pure BS. HO's are a 50/50 deal to begin with and attempting to avoid does nothing more than slightly increase your chance of survival, chances increase with distance but in the end, a guy who is determined to HO you and is good at it WILL land rounds on you.

The problem with HO's in AH. Well, there's a time and a place for the HO, but I'm usually doing it "back" or when I've run out of options. Perfectly acceptable and easily recognizable. HO's that I consider unworthy of any respect are 1. Those who develop it as a primary tactice. 2. Dweebs who can't manage any other move. 3. Those who take the HO "because they can". It may be considered insulting....who cares, I'll call'em HOwomen every time and thats that. There is nothing worse than "thinking" you are about to merge and have a kickass knifefight only to have the DICKHEAD yank a HO with no need for it whatsoever...THOSE are the lamers and they deserve to live with it.

This is not WW2, we are not fighting for our lives, home or apple pie. Allowing the HO (unlike AW) actually benefits the game more than it detracts (the AirWarrior HO manuever that became the ONLY manuever). Unfortunately, there will always be nerds who don't care about gameing, fun, excitment, SKILL etc etc....just the chance to make little yellow things fly at another airpane, that is all that matters.

Tumor

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #37 on:** January 08, 2002, 07:25:00 PM »

Excuse me, but until you are capable of seeing how I fly through my own eyes, then please do not tell me I can not avoid a head on.

I've been doing it since I began flying here, and the only head on where I've been shot down in- is the head on where I didn't break off.
-SW

Tumor · « **Reply #38 on:** January 09, 2002, 11:50:00 PM »

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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Excuse me, but until you are capable of seeing how I fly through my own eyes, then please do not tell me I can not avoid a head on.

I've been doing it since I began flying here, and the only head on where I've been shot down in- is the head on where I didn't break off.
-SW

...drone and drivel. I will not even bother to post to your next response S.

Tumor

Toad · « **Reply #39 on:** January 09, 2002, 11:58:00 PM »

If you are at or above corner speed for your aircraft and weight and you can't avoid giving the other guy a head-on shot....

the problem is not with the other guy.

Some realize this early, some take a little longer and some never figure it out at all.

Below corner speed is a different situation however.

Kieran · « **Reply #40 on:** January 10, 2002, 06:08:00 AM »

What Toad said.

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #41 on:** January 10, 2002, 07:41:00 AM »

ofcourse you can avoid HO,,,,,,,,,,,,,over and out.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #42 on:** January 10, 2002, 08:00:00 AM »

It was dark and there was a Spit V in front of my at 1000 yards and I was aproaching at him with good speed. What a present!! A surprisse attack!! Lets try to secure the kill at 200 yards ... ... well, the spit fried my at 600 yards, I was at his 12 and not at his 6

NoBaddy · « **Reply #43 on:** January 13, 2002, 10:02:46 PM »

Vort...

The headons here have nothing to do with the gunnery model. They have to do with the reality model. As long as the only penalty for dying is you have to take off in a new plane...headons will be the tactic of choice for some.

Frankly, I rarely even try to avoid em anymore. I win alot more of them than I lose

. The only folks that annoy me are the ones that chose to headon from a superior position. If they are skilled, then they either lack the imagination to try for a 6 attack or they are just plane lazy

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Whatever...headons are a fact of life in this virtual world. Deal with them, accept them...be one with the front of your plane

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BTW, asked the fighter pilot at last year's con about headons...he asked if I was crazy

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Hooligan · « **Reply #44 on:** January 14, 2002, 01:57:35 AM »

Most of the time when somebody tries to HO me, they just give me the opportunity to defeat them in the merge and kill them shortly thereafter. I very infrequently die from HO shots but when I do it is invariably from:

Lack of SA
Lack of E to maneuver
Poor merge on my part
Accepting a stupid HO for no good reason

In other words, whenever I die from an HO it always follows from a mistake that I made. In fact whenever anybody dies from any non-technical (i.e. netlag) cause, it is their fault.

Is it really so hard to figure out that every death was avoidable and solely the fault of the pilot (You flew too close to the damn Ack!)?

Don't fly and you will never get shot down.

Hooligan