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Offline SFRT - Frenchy

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Constant speed prop explanation.
« on: July 22, 2000, 04:35:00 PM »
Time to wipe away the misconception about prop RPM and blade pitch angle.

Ok, I did my best here, so please don't make fun of my graphic     hehehe.

Flakbait and Downtown, I hope this will help to understand, let me know if my explanations are too confusing (because english is not my native language).

       

The whole system is working with the engine oil going into the system or out of the system. If ur oil system as a leack, you in trouble    

The key components are the Flyweight assembly, the pilot valve, the loaded spring and the prop hub.

- Flyweight assembly: using centrifugal forces, the Flyweight varies directly with the engine speed. When the engine speed increases, the Flyweight moves outward and when the engine speed decreases, the flyweight moves inward.

- Pilot Valve: It is directing oil flow to the propeller. The pilot valve is attached to the fly weight. depending on the flyweight going inward or outward, the Pilot Valve will go up or down.
    If the Pilot valve is going up, the oil is allowed to travel from the engine to the prop hub.
    If the Pilot Valve is going down, the oil is allowed to travel from the Prop Hub back to the Oil Sump.

Prop Hub: it's lateral movements are allowing the bades to change their pitch angle.
    When the oil flows into the prop hub, the cylinder is moving 'to the left'. A simple mecanical part is making the pitch angle of the blade increase.
    When the oil flows out of the Prop Hub, a Loaded Spring makes the cylinder comes back 'to the right', making the blade angle transit to a smaller pitch (Fine pitch).

How it works :

- Flying along at constant RPM, you start to climb or you decrease the engine RPM. This results in an underspeed condition. Airspeed is reduced and, since the pitch of the propeller blades is too high, the engine starts to slow down. However, the instant this happens the Flyweights will droop, causing the pilot valve to move down. Then, oil flows from the propeller, reducing the pitch of the blades. This automatically increases the speed of the engine to maintain the former RPM setting.

- in a descent or engine power is increased: This causes an overspeed condition. Since the pitch of the prop blades is too low to absorb engine power, the engine RPM begins to decrease. But the instant this happens, the flyweights move out and raise the pilot valve. This in turn, causes oil to flow to the propeller, increasing the pitch of the blades. Engine speed then slows down to maintain the original RPM setting.

Advantages of a constant speed propeller :
   - higher thrust output during take off
   - increased rate of climb
   - increased cruise speed
   - better fuel economy

Geez, I hope all this makes sense for you guys. Flakbait it should help to decrease your misconception of prop RPM and blade pitch. Downtown, I wish it answered all your questions     )

have a great one... I need a beer after all this typing    

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2000, 05:14:00 PM »
Frenchy You are so very correct about everything except the spring is loaded to high pitch, it always better to ahve to much pitch then none at all. The info is from Aircraft prpellers and controls.

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2000, 05:25:00 PM »
Very nice work, Frenchy - but I think there is an error:

 
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in a descent or engine power is decreased: This causes an overspeed condition. Since the pitch of the prop blades is too low to absorb engine power, the engine RPM begins to decrease. But the instant this happens, the flyweights move out and raise the pilot valve. This in turn, causes oil to flow to the propeller, increasing the pitch of the blades. Engine speed then slows down to maintain the original RPM setting.

Descent will cause an overspeed but reducing power will be an underspeed. I think what you meant was in a descent or engine power is increased... the engine RPM begins to increase.

In case anyone is interested, here is a diagram from the Hamilton Standard Hydromatic Quick-Feathering Propellers with Constant Speed Control... Click the image for a higher res version...





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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2000, 05:32:00 PM »
Renfield, thx it was a typo. You pic is great too, i was looking for one, I could had saved 2 hours of work hehehe  

Indian, you right but both systems exist. For example, the mooney and the Seminole have their system opposed. On the Seminole the prop will go high blade angle to lower drag when there is an oil leack, on the Mooney the prop will go fine pitch (but I still love this aircraft hehehe)
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2000, 05:56:00 PM »
frenchy any chance of meeting your noseart?

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2000, 06:07:00 PM »
Join our Squad      

if u kind, I may send more infos about her hehehe, if she wants too.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2000, 06:16:00 PM »
NP - got lots of this stuff and a scanner   Here is some more from the manual...

 

 

Now more will know what that funny disc thing is up on the front of a lot fo the engines they see  


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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2000, 07:41:00 PM »
Awsome  )
My stendents will be overwelmed with infos  
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2000, 09:56:00 PM »
And I thought the prop just went around

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2000, 10:38:00 PM »
Frenchy, Ren...Well Done!
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2000, 02:26:00 AM »
Great Pics - some words on a spinning prop -
feathered or not......

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2000, 07:08:00 AM »
WTG Guys.  

There were electric props also.  Anybody got a diagram for one of those (e.g. P-39, Fw 190)?

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2000, 11:30:00 AM »
I do Funked - have a Curtiss Electric Propeller Instruction Manual. What you want to know?

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2000, 02:07:00 PM »
Renfield if you have some kind of schematic of the principles of operation, that would rock.

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2000, 03:47:00 PM »
Necessarily abbreviated as it is a many-page manual but hopefully this will do you. Lemme know if you need more info. Basically it is very similar to the Hydromatic - they both have flyweights but instead the electric one touches contacts which power an electric motor and planetary gear system in the prop hub to change the blade pitch while the Hydromatic changes pitch using the piston and cam system.