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Offline SaburoS

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2003, 05:42:47 PM »
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and he grew dope :)


Wasn't it a law then that property owners had to grow at least two marijuana plants ( I read that somewhere but am too lazy to search for it.)? The main reason of course was for the extremely hardy, fast growth or the plants and the very strong hemp fibers for the manufacture of rope (mainly for ship rigging) and manufacture of clothing, paper, bags, blankets, etc. The by-product of the buds and leaves was very mild compared to today's types of plants. They used the the very tree-like Sativa variety as compared to the very short and very bushy Indica variety today grown specifically for the buds. The THC (particularly Delta 9) content of those plants in Washington's time is a mere fraction of the stuff coming out of today's plants.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2003, 05:43:25 PM »
LOL.

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2003, 05:46:54 PM »
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Yes.  It appears that Washington had more on his mind than another former President......


Hehe, funny photo. Unfortunetely it appears retouched. I doubt the original photo shows "his Viagra effects"  ;)
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2003, 06:58:45 PM »
Weazel,

Yes.  I support our current president.  That makes us even, for you supported our "former president."

Of the two, which would you trust around your wife and daughter?  Which one had (or has) the most realistic foreign policy toward North Korea?  

I prefer the sincere, honest, stumble-bumbling speech maker of a president to the one who was nick-named "Slick Willie" by the independent-mined citizens of his home state, and mine, who saw through his facade.

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2003, 07:09:23 PM »
Actually Weazel did not support Clinton. As I recall; he was more pissed at the way monkey boy got the job than he was about who he beat.. and, if I remember correctly he was a GWB Sr. supporter during the gulf war.

And yes, I believe it's possible to support a leader in war and detest his political machine and domestic policys in peacetime.

Weazels's as much an Honest Patriot as it's possible to be in a world where 'Honest Politicans' are not the ones that can succesfuly hold office.
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2003, 09:35:55 PM »
maybe people would like WAshington if he had grown better dope

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2003, 11:19:21 PM »
Correct on all counts.

I even voted for Poppy Bush vs WJC but confess I voted for WJC over Dole since IMO he was too much of a relic to be an effective leader.

Shuckins, your "sincere, honest, stumble-bumbling speech maker of a president" is a sociopath...and mark my words, time will prove this assertion.

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Actually Weazel did not support Clinton. As I recall; he was more pissed at the way monkey boy got the job than he was about who he beat.. and, if I remember correctly he was a GWB Sr. supporter during the gulf war.

And yes, I believe it's possible to support a leader in war and detest his political machine and domestic policys in peacetime.

Weazels's as much an Honest Patriot as it's possible to be in a world where 'Honest Politicans' are not the ones that can succesfuly hold office.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2003, 11:42:37 PM »
LOL!

I voted for dole. Only republican that ever got my vote. The office of the presidency needed a quality relic at that time IMHO.

;)
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2003, 12:40:18 AM »
Weazel,

If you have proof that Bush Jr. is a sociopath, produce it.  Is he a member of the Klan?  Has he had anyone killed?  Has he made racist statements about Muslims, Blacks, or Mexicans? Or have you just got a "feeling??

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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2003, 01:38:40 AM »
Hey Shuckins,

I just looked up a couple of words in Cambridge dictionary online, take them for what they are worth.

sociopath
noun [C]
a person who is completely unable or unwilling to behave in a way that is acceptable to society

weasel
noun [C]
a small mammal with reddish brown fur and a long body which can kill other small animals such as mice and birds for food

(informal) Speech which is described as weasel words is speech intentionally used either to avoid answering a question clearly or to make someone believe something that is not true.


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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2003, 04:32:25 AM »
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Weazel,

Has he made racist statements about Muslims, Blacks, or Mexicans? Or have you just got a "feeling??

Shuckins


Are you saying that is one of the criteria for a "sociopath?"

If so, do you consider that some on these boards might be?

:D

BTW, because one may be racist or have racist thoughts, does not necessarily make them sociopathic in my book. Only the extreme fringe racists (those that act on their feelings such as threaten, berate, kill, etc) would I classify as being sociopathic.
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2003, 05:09:35 AM »
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Actually Weazel did not support Clinton. As I recall; he was more pissed at the way monkey boy got the job than he was about who he beat.. and, if I remember correctly he was a GWB Sr. supporter during the gulf war.

And yes, I believe it's possible to support a leader in war and detest his political machine and domestic policys in peacetime.

Weazels's as much an Honest Patriot as it's possible to be in a world where 'Honest Politicans' are not the ones that can succesfuly hold office.


~S~! Very true.

I do believe that it is every American's right to criticize when they feel wrong doing is being done by our elected leadership. I find those people are actually patriotic. They stand up against the "status quo" to let their beliefs known.
Those that criticized former President Clinton had every right to.
Those that criticized any President has the right to. Fact is if they have information they feel is wrong doing by the President, they should speak up. It doesn't always mean they're right though.
As an American, I support everyone's right to criticize any President. I feel it is very "American" to do so. It's what this country was supposedly founded on.
Carry on....
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2003, 05:24:43 AM »
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Wasn't it a law then that property owners had to grow at least two marijuana plants ( I read that somewhere but am too lazy to search for it.)? The main reason of course was for the extremely hardy, fast growth or the plants and the very strong hemp fibers for the manufacture of rope (mainly for ship rigging) and manufacture of clothing, paper, bags, blankets, etc. The by-product of the buds and leaves was very mild compared to today's types of plants. They used the the very tree-like Sativa variety as compared to the very short and very bushy Indica variety today grown specifically for the buds. The THC (particularly Delta 9) content of those plants in Washington's time is a mere fraction of the stuff coming out of today's plants.
Judge for yourself, personally I think it's rather dodgy ground to assume it was just for rope etc and no Indica:

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May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Muddy hole - rather too late."
George Washington
Diary 1765
Now I've read elsewhere that George wanted the males because were more hardy for rope etc than the females and that's why he wanted them separate - but "rather too late" is fairly questionable in a purely rope-related context. Personally, I can't think up a scenario for that other than wanting unfertilized female plants. And there's really only one reason for wanting unfertilized female plants.

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What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington
Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
Fairly clear evidence that George grew "the very short and very bushy Indica variety today grown specifically for the buds." Note how he mentions that it is "more valuable than the common hemp"
As to the "THC (particularly Delta 9) content of those plants in Washington's time is a mere fraction of the stuff coming out of today's plants." This quote  from the book Marijuana by Dr. Walton, 1869 is interesting:
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“Hemp grown for fiber in Kentucky has been shown to contain a substantial degree of potency. Houghton and Hamilton concluded from animal experiments that the Kentucky hemp was fully as active as the best imported Indian product. It is clear that the potentiality of hashish abuse has always existed with this type of hemp production.”
All that said, I'm unsure as to whether George smoked or not - but he certainly grew it. I suppose, in his favour, in these enlightened times we now know that American Presidents are wont not to inhale. :)
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2003, 06:03:48 AM »
what i find amusing is that supposedly 60% of the nation likes dubya, but i can't find a single soul anywhere who supports him in person.

i wonder what the payout for answering those polls is.

and how can we have such weak political parties as to give us an election with just GWB and snore? i voted for gore only because he was the lesser of two evils, but i lamented for days afterwards.
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2003, 11:17:59 AM »
Shuckins

The psychiatric diagnosis that comes closest to capturing the sense of these terms (sociopath, psychopath) is antisocial personality disorder (APD).

Essentially, individuals with APD show "a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood." The terms "psychopathy" and "sociopathy" have also been applied to this pattern, and are roughly synonymous.