Author Topic: rank = time? (Read 1638 times)

g00b · « **on:** January 10, 2003, 04:32:07 PM »

I was hoping that HTC might consider changing the ranking system to make "points" less of a factor. Looking at all the top ranking players seems to indicate you need 100+ hours/month to achieve a top ranking. It seems unfair to those who are unable to play 40 hours a week. I shouldn't be penalized for having a life!

Shane · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2003, 04:37:15 PM »

time in game/month is not a significant ranking factor.

plenty of people who play a ton of hours, yet rank low.

if you game the game you can rank pretty high without having to miss any of your so called life.

why would a high rank be important to you anyway?

g00b · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2003, 05:43:43 PM »

Shane you need to go look at the number of hours all the top ranking players play, including yourself at 120 hours for the last tour. That's 30 hours a week! I'm sorry but I just can't compete against that. I feel I should be able to play 10 hours a month and if I kicked bellybutton in those 10 hours than I should be ranked appropriatley. Basically I think the amount of time you spend should have less bearing on your ranking.

Rank is important because there's $$$ involved

Shane · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2003, 07:02:46 PM »

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Originally posted by g00b
Shane you need to go look at the number of hours all the top ranking players play, including yourself at 120 hours for the last tour. That's 30 hours a week! I'm sorry but I just can't compete against that. I feel I should be able to play 10 hours a month and if I kicked bellybutton in those 10 hours than I should be ranked appropriatley. Basically I think the amount of time you spend should have NO bearing on your ranking.
Rank is important because there's $$$ involved

and i wasn't even in the running or trying for the $ last tour.

mooj managed to pocket his prize with 39 hours. 2 others had 60 hrs, some had 120+

it's not the amount of time per se, it's the amount of things those people do within that time. simply put they kill more stuff, do more damage, earn more points. it can be a byproduct of time, but not necessarily.

gv's *do* take time for the most part, it's one of the more time consuming endeavors, but it's still easy enough to get lowered bomber and gv scores (ranks) simply by helping capture bases.

just by looking at mooj, he shows it *is* possible to rank up there with less than 40 hrs.

sooooo... i guess you just need to do as well as he did.

Innominate · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2003, 08:19:51 PM »

Time helps up to a point. Time online will get you into the top 250(along with flying all types of sorties), but not much beyond that.

g00b · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2003, 08:44:35 PM »

40 hours is still still 1.33 hours EVERY DAY FOR A MONTH! That's 5.5% of your LIFE for one month at MINIMUM, most top pilots are 80 hours plus. It's just not right.

Innominate · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2003, 08:51:15 PM »

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Originally posted by g00b
most top pilots are 80 hours plus. It's just not right.

It's not a case of rank = time. More a case of people who are good playing more, and simply getting better faster by spending more time playing.

Don't confuse the symptom for the cause.

Stats and rank are prettymuch irrelevent anyways. The practical use of em is virtually nil.

g00b · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2003, 09:01:33 PM »

I beg to differ, IT IS A CASE OF RANK = TIME. When someone can get 1st place with 10 hours a month I will change my mind. Untill then I think you are deluding yourself...

SNO · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2003, 09:19:30 PM »

Solitaire anyone??
SNO

Innominate · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2003, 09:20:37 PM »

You -CAN- get first place with 10 hours.
But the pilots who are good enough to get first place also love the game, and spend time playing it. If you only want to play 10 hours a month, good for you, but don't expect to be able to compete either in ranking or in skill.

Why should they fly fewer hours to prove it to you?

We have ONE stat which is based on time online. EVERY stat is equally important in ranking.

ALF · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2003, 09:46:13 PM »

Ummm no

You cannot get a very high rank with 10 hours a month.....try this:

Fly a few sortes of each type of rank (Figher, bomber, attack, vehicle). If you do very well you will be ranked lets say 150.

now wait

keep waiting

just a little more

Now 2 weeks later...your ranked 600.....why.....simple, as you play less, your rank falls. Happens every time I go on vacation. And no its not just in the 1st part of a tour when rank are being established.

I have no idea what the formula is...but total score....hence hours of play are a factor.

I think that we need some sort of time requirement in the formula, so some schmoe that flys one sorte and gets 4 kills isnt ranked in the top 10. But after 50 sorte, I think total score should have much less impact.

Booky · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2003, 10:04:57 PM »

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Originally posted by g00b
I beg to differ, IT IS A CASE OF RANK = TIME. When someone can get 1st place with 10 hours a month I will change my mind. Untill then I think you are deluding yourself...

And what was your K/D, K/T, and K/S for those 10 hours. Also what was your Dammage/Death, Dammage/Sortie and hit % for Bombers, Attack, and GV's for those 10 hours? And finally how many bases did you capture with a M3 and a C47 inthose 10 hours?

I logged about 79 hours last tour and ranked 12 overall. I have left out the total points factor in what I listed above. If you can beat me in all those catagory's listed in less than 10 hours then I will give you my $50.

The only way you will be able to do this is to fly 1 lucky vulch mission in fighter, then another lucky vulch in Attack after you bombed a city or town. Now fly 1 bomber and make every bomb count, now rearm and do it again. Then take a Tiger and blow up aabout 4 or 5 hangers at a airfield and kill a few gv's. After all this catpure at least 5 bases with M3 and C47.

Personally I understand where you are comming from, but do you really expect to get $50 for getting a lucky 10 hours in:rolleyes:

Sounds to me like you are just another sorry ars whiner that cries "it isn't fair" whenever you don't get what you think you should.

This is a game after all and if you can't enjoy flying the 10 hours that you have free to fly without comming here and crying about rank, then you shouldn't be here anyway.

Ok, im done now, nothing more to see here, please move along.

Booky

bockko · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2003, 11:46:43 AM »

i fly 20-40 hours a month and have nearly cracked the top 100 in fighter rankings...but don't think i can do it without a few changes such as a) flying with a big squad - this cuts down on ur deaths as you don't fly alone as much. b) driving a gv, a buff, and a pt more...sheesh, don't really want to do that. The players at the top of the score list do all types of missions (gaming the game asisde) throught the score period. And the players at the top of the score rankings also spend waaay more time in the game than the rest of us -- they do get real good at what they do. Anyway, bottom line is your overall ranking vastly improves with varied missions and success. Don't sweat the score, enjoy the game.

loser · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:52:42 PM »

sorry buckos, but ALF has a very valid point.

I have cracked my rank down to well under the 100 mark several times.

okay, like 3 times.

But i have found that if you dont keep up huge hours playing each day, or if you take a break completely, your rank will plummit.

Eg: A few tours ago i was ranked about 65 or so overall. This was about half way through the tour.

I had logged alot of hours in the first part of the tour and had a streak of good luck going. I took a break of about a week for various reasons.

I came back and my k/d ratio was the same, my kills/time online were the same etc etc.... yet i was ranked about 800 or so.

There IS definatley a correlation between rank and time spent online. The numbers dont lie

Booky · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2003, 01:33:59 AM »

loser, time only affects two things, your K/T and your overall points. And the only reason overall points is involved is because of more missions means more points.

What happened to you is that when you were 65 you prolly had 1 C47 base capture and 1 M3 base capture. Well once you took your break others captured 2 or 3 bases in each and then maybe hit a ship with PT boat torps or rkts. This alone will put your Bomber and GV rank low and then in turn lower your overall rank.

I can gurantee you that I could rank below 100 easy with less that 10 hours of play. But to get in the top 15 you do need more time because you need more base captures, and stuff like that.

But hey, like stated above by me and another, if you don't enjoy it then maybe you shouldn't be here? I mean I know that when I found I wasn't haveing but (back in like tour 2 or 3) I left for a few months. No reason someone should pay to play a game that they find no fun in because they can't get enough time in to get a high rank.

~~Booky~~