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Offline Tuck

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2002, 04:24:00 PM »
it amazes me.  everyone talks about how great the ct is (and i totally agree by the way), but yet the numbers are still lacking.

what i think we ALL need to do, is go into the ma, and keep going on about it until these other chowderheads get so sick of hearing about it, they come in and try it.  hehe.  once they do, i'm sure they'd start playing more, therefore, making it more fun for everyone.

i say this because, from what i see so far, the majority of the people who play ah DO NOT participate in the message boards, so they have no clue as to what else is out there as far as ah is concerned.  so, we, as "devoted" ct players, need to spread the word in the ma and "recruit" some of the non-ct types.

just an idea.  am i off here?    :rolleyes:

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2002, 05:39:00 PM »
"...I'd spend more time in the CT, if there was more communication. Lack of dar is okay, if people use voice comm, or occasionally mention the location of the enemy.  Otherwise, it's just too boring for me...".

Exactly, and I bet it is the same for a lot of people.  My first stop is the CT, but if I can't find a fight I go to the MA.  I don't mind flying 30 minutes to fight, but I want to know that there will be a fight when I get there.  Several times I can't find the action by looking at the map/dar, so I ask my country mates...no answer.  Not everybody is in a squad.  If you want more people, a little cooperation in finding the enemy might help.  You know...like in RL.  :)

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2002, 06:00:00 PM »
can't find a fight in ct.......roadkill....

Read the msg when you enter and you will see there are conditions set to win.

Lw is supposed to link up with those trapped in Kurland..........

aint hard 59 51 52 where the fights at save the cop outs.........

with 16 people in the ct last night we had good fights on the way to attempt to liberate 52 from the commies.........

Its onething if you just prefer the main but dont make stuff up. Even when it was an "open" map the old "Hey fellas wheres the fight" has never failed me.

CTs HAs are always undermanned especially when you see the number of people actually claiming they would fly there. Theres a good plane set and a good strat set up for the current ct.

Hope to see more folks there

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2002, 07:50:00 PM »
Your right Brady good fight last night, although I was fustrated with you in that Ju88.  I have a healthy respect for the Ju88 after that.  Sancho was no slouch either. I got him in his Ju88 but he tore me up twice with a 109.   Couple good ones with Durr in his 109G10 too.  Best thing about Ct is people dont whine and cry when you shoot them down (not everybody in the MA squeakes, just a couple).   Especially with the HO's, HO the whiners and they start accusing you of ramming them.  They cant believe their Spit died to a headon with a 109g10.  
I never have trouble finding a fight.  And that little ground war at 52? with the flakpanzers, panzers and M8 rocked, even though I died about 7 times.   (That 190 flying around I wanted to swat with a giant fly swatter.)  CT kinda reminds me what the MA was like when I first started playing 8 months.
I'll still go in the MA but not as much as I'll fly in the CT.

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2002, 10:01:00 PM »
I just left the CT. When I logged there were 12 German, 9 VVS, so I stayed VVS. I flew the La-5 (though my preferred ride is the 190A-5) and found some guys buzzing around (ammo, shamus, band, to name a few). Suddenly one of the guys says, "Let's hit something!" So we go on a mission to get 52.

Shamus, another fellow and I (sorry, can't remember name now) upped B-26's and proceeded to hit the field. I dropped my whole load square on the VH, yet it survived (odd). I get a fighter, drop to strafe, get hit an injured, come to and kill another fighter, strafe two buildings down and crash strafing the VH.

Next up, La-5. I had intended to go back to 52 via 51, but a Fw interrupted our return party (there were three of us). We got him, but by this time we were practically on the field. The three of us arrive to find two Fw's and a 109 a bit higher than us. The 109 strayed away from the 190's, presumably to make a flank run. The two guys with me appeared to be winging and went for the 190's. I figured I would take the 109 for a moment.

I turned into the 109- he was hoping I would go for a pure HO, and he dropped under my nose. I went vertical and pulled around hard. He did what I figured; he went for all the alt he could, hoping I would follow the rope. I didn't. I followed for a moment to keep him off the other two, then turned into the 190's.

The first 190 went by, guns blazing. I rolled through that and found the next 190. He was a bit off-angle, and was forced to duck his nose away. I managed a snap on his engine and he began smoking. It was time to turn, because the 109 was coming...

...there! He was 650 or so back and closing. A split-S and I forced him to climb again, meanwhile I am back into the 190's. Damn, gotta love the acceleration of the La! We had worked low by now, just where the La likes it. I make a beeline for the two 190's... waitaminnit! These aren't smoking! Yup, the smoking one is still spiraling overhead. No fair, these goons were bringing friends! I hit a 190 hard and continue through. Time to check for the 109 again...

...just in time, and this time there's a couple of 190's with him. One of the good guys had bought it by now, and I was getting in deep, too. I make for the 190's again. I don't really want an HO, so I roll past the first one. The second one takes a big bite out of my right wing, and I began to spiral down... Looks like I am done for, because the 109 is back there licking his chops.

I manage to bring the beast under control right about wave level. I radio I am out with a broken wing- that is, as fast as I can type the message. I managed to finally get it trimmed to fly with full WEP and 320mph. I'm wondering all the way back how it's gonna act when I try to land. I zoom in to see I am lined up for the runway. This looks like it will be ok...

...then, as I neared the base, what do I see? An enemy flakpanzer and tank sitting right off the edge of the field! They are pretty much in my line of approach. I am forced to evade as best as possible, barely able to hold the plane under control as a pull to the right. I then attempted to head in, as I was by now slow and barely able to hold onto it. As I neared the runway the plane began a slow but unstoppable roll to the right. Holding all the left rudder I could manage I was able to land upright at about 120mph, no wheels, and skidded to a stop.

I called the two GV's out. I then upped an Il-2. Now, I am the world's worst ground-pounder, but I figure if I don't do something they will vultch the runway for easy kills. So, I load rockets and start a slow climb to 3K. I figure I want that much to be able to drop on them with the rockets...

... and I may as well have forgotten that tactic, 'cause I cleanly missed. Fortunately help arrived in the form of Band, also in an Il-2. The odds had improved considerably, because with two of us to watch killing them would be much easier. We came in together without so much as a word between us; we knew what we needed to do. We knocked them down over and over. I finally looked at my watch and discovered my time for the night was over.

Is the CT fun? Naw...  ;)

P.S. A big S! to all the LW pilots and armor tonight. It was a good time, and even though the furballs were small, they were packed with action and ACM. I also noted I had no rubber bullets- splashed a Fw on my first hop with a bee-yoo-ti-ful full 90 degree deflection snapshot. In the MA that wouldn't have done anything.

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2002, 11:13:00 PM »
Liked the CT alot also. We plan to have one of our two squad nites in the CT when we can fly the Hellcat. We flew Corsairs from the carriers in the last scenario and had a pretty good time but it just isn't the same without the "Kitty".  :D
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2002, 11:59:00 PM »
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it amazes me.  everyone talks about how great the ct is (and i totally agree by the way), but yet the numbers are still lacking.

This shouldn't be surprising at all--it's perfectly normal and expected.  Things identical to the CT have been tried before--MANY times over the years, in both AW and WB--and the result is always the same.  Such arenas only ever draw a small but devoted crowd, and no amount of PR ever changes that.  After a few months, the newness wears off and even these stalwarts begin to miss the huge furballs and old buds of the main arena, so numbers decline to nearly 0 and eventually the CT goes away during a server rearrangement.  Then after a few more months, people start agitating for a CT again, and a year or so later the company puts it up.  And thus the cycle repeats.

This is nothing against the current crop of CT-philes, it's just a fact of sim life.  The reasons are pretty simple.  At least 1/2 of all pilots are utter dweebs with no desire to do anything but fly their N1 or spit forever, historical context be damned.  Some of the rest, who otherwise would be interested in the CT-thing, have developed such ties to others in the MA that they don't feel they can just leave--too many folks depend on them being there organizing stuff, or so they think.  And most of the remainder might want to try the CT-thing, but don't like the current plane set because, rightly or wrongly, they think one side has too much of an advantage.  They make a note to try it when the planes change, but by then they've forgotten all about it.  And finally, the longer the CT cycle goes on, the more folks like me you end up with.

Since I started in 1994, I've held all MA-hugging POVs mentioned above, and I've even been a CT-phile myself more than once.  Now, having seen the rise and fall of a dozen or so CTs, and been crushed in a couple of collapses, I try to ignore them.  No sense getting excited about a CT because it will never catch on and will soon go away, leaving bitterness in its wake.

So I wish all you CT-philes the best of luck.  I hope your current CT lasts, even though I doubt it will.  Either way, enjoy it as much as possible.  But if it all comes to an end, don't blame it on not getting the word out.  The rejection of CTs has always been a cultural thing.  CT-philes are by far the minority of the population.  Sometimes, it's just hard to accept that.

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2002, 12:00:00 AM »
Nothing liek parking a Osty on teh runway behind a BH and watch 7 gv's come out to try and get ya.  Was fun as hell <S> all.  Was in there for a little bit today but dar was acting funny and my connect was terrible.  Get more in there thats all i have to say.

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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2002, 06:04:00 AM »
Bullethead-

While I was with you for the first have and the very end, you lost me in the middle. People can do what they wish. The CT may last, it may not, that doesn't matter. It is there now, and it is fun. I had better connects and combat there than I have had in a week. That for me is what matters.

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2002, 06:10:00 PM »
Well Wotan, I may be wrong but I think the purpose of this thread was to find out why people are NOT playing in the CT, not why you ARE playing in the CT.

I guess the people who are having trouble getting information from country mates just aren't as popular as you are.    :)]

Anyways, it appears the people running the show are a bit more receptive to suggestions, criticism.  Apparently they will try smaller maps to make fights a little easier to find considering the numbers.

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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2002, 08:23:00 PM »
people dont play in cts ha's and AvAs because they just dont. The majority are casual gamers they pop in want some quick fights.

Look at what goes on in any main. Folks fly there easy planes to the highest concentration folks and go at it. They dont care about Historical Immersion.

WB3 ha is just as empty as the ct. So was aw3 ava it just a fact of life. People prefer to be able to fly the plane they want and get to a fight quickly. The like furballs with lots of folks.

I have flown in the ct since we had it. Regardless of maps, plansets, icon settings, dar setting or strat it at most never has had more then 40 folks except when the main is down.

If you dont fly in the ct because you cant read the msg when you enter the arena or because you cant type "hey fellas wheres the fight" well thats on you.

Its a roadkill excuse. You dont wanna fly the ct dont.

Through out the history of online flight games has a ct ha every really succeeded in bringing in a sizable percentage of folks in a game?

No

Its up to the 15 or so hardcore ct flyers and the casual 25 to 30 casual folks to make what they can out of the ct. If folks come well great. But we dont need another main.

oh and read the title of this topic it show aint how do we get more in the ct but a general statement that AG, (sachs) my squaddie, is saying he wishes more folks were there.

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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2002, 09:30:00 PM »
LOL you tell him Wotan  :)  I think the one AVA which succeeded was in FA2, it started out slow and then it picked up big tim and was the best fun in that game for sometime then they had to go fediddle with it and ruined it IMO and that was just as I was leaving FA.  I am splitting time now between the 2 sometimes my connect sucks in MA and sometimes in the Ct whichever is best I fly for the remainder.  Anyway it is a change from the norm and I like it, it actually feels good not seeing a N1k here Spit there, LA7 over there, and a runstang running over fleet ack.  Thats My opinion.

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2002, 10:56:00 PM »
"...people dont play in cts ha's and AvAs because they just dont..."

Absolutely brilliant.  Make sure the CT CMs are made aware of this...will save them a lot of grief.

So this was all just an unabashed plea for players?  If things are so darn peachy in the CT, why the heck would you have to come in here and beg for players?

Oh that's right...the 400 players who currently prefer the MA are completely clueless.

Thankfully, Buzzbait and the other CMs are a bit more savvy and realize with  some changes and improvements, a lot of people currently in the MA might give the CT a try.

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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2002, 02:06:00 PM »
I find this quite droll.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2002, 06:05:00 PM »
No bowser the cms have been around long enough to know.

You still are just spewing bs.

"I cant find a fight so I'll stick with the ma."

well go ahead..........

Everything I've posted in this thread has been posted on this board and in every sim thats had a ct ha or AvA.

Fact of life is if you've every read a lazs post hes right people as demonstrated by there choices furball like mad and seem to enjoy it. It also appears the bigger the better. They go where the numbers are plain and simple.