It’s not the pilot, it’s not even the plane… maybe it’s the ego…

[K West]

"Cyas Up Ya Sissy Furballin Girlscouts!!!"

 No Thin Mint, Peanut Butter Sandwich or Shortbread selection for you this year!!

 

[Durr]

Hey, I thought streaking went out of style in the late 70s.
 Anybody remember the Ray Stevens song?
"I hollered over, Dont look Ethel! But it was too late, she already got a free shot"

[lazs1]

hortlund.. I'm a little slow today or else you edited out all meaning from your post..  What was your point exactly?

vortex.. well put.   And rude too.

ramjager is totally clueless.
lazs

[thrila]

Of course ego matters.....I wouldn't be able to fit into the tiffy's cockpit if it wasn't for the bubble canopy  


An ostie shotdown my tiffy today, i feel so dirty and used  

[bowser]

"...This is unrealistic, and is not how WW2 was fought! So if you are getting 40+ streaks, ask yourself what you are doing for your country...".

I bet a lot of these guys in AH who only "attack when they have the advantage" would have been REAL popular with their buddies in WWII..hehe.  Picture the look on a bomber crew's faces as the Mustang escorts refuse to come down from their perch, or dissappear into the distance when an enemy appears co-alt.  

bowser

[Karnak]

I like the sound of tires squealing on tarmac after a long, hard mission.  Its even better if my Mossie, Lanc or Fort is shot to hell.  The slow slide of a crippled aircraft sliding down the runway on its belly after barely managing to return is almost as good.

However, I also like to dive into superior numbers of enemies, do Rhubarb missions and other things that get me killed frequently.

I'm also, frankly, not that good.  Average at best.

[Sachs]

I am just happy to get kills in LW rides and live.  Seems ack finds me an easier target then the enemy.  Only time I venture above 20k is in a Ta-152, only place where it can survive without a head of steam built up.  We all fly for different reasons, I am flying LW planes and that is it this tour for the hell of it.  We all have our place and it is usually 6 feet under.

 

[Pyemia]

He He, Lazs still harping on about your K/T K/D KFC or whatever?

Like I said b4, Kills per life is the only one that ever mattered or matters.

As for diving into overwhelming odds with almost certain chance of death, I very much doubt any reputable flight leader would have ordered his men to their deaths.

1 sky accountant diving down to help a countryman/woman in trouble is just gonna die anyway and the question has to be asked, why did that countryman get himself in that situation and does he have the right to expect help?

Zygote

[MANDOBLE]

Personal prefrecences aside. What counts in our MA is doing maximum damage to the enemy in the minimum time. That is: K/T and K/S, being K/D a secondary factor. Basically, for equal numbers, the side with better K/T will easily win the war over'n over.
And here as well as in RL you will be of little help for your side if you are looking only for K/D.

Aside of that fact, you can fly for your K/D, only for fun, to help to win the war of to whatever you want.

[Kieran]

 As for diving into overwhelming odds with almost certain chance of death, I very much doubt any reputable flight leader would have ordered his men to their deaths.

Ever hear of the Battle of Britain? Poland? Berlin? Stalingrad? You're flat out wrong here.

Edit: Whoops, forgot the amazingly obvious "Kamikaze".

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Kieran ]

[lazs1]

kieran... these guys think those brave young men were as timid as they are.  It's pretty funny really.   I can quote pilts climbing UP to the fight even tho they would be outnumbered and slow when they got there... Head on's etc.   Naa... lone wolf sky accountants are by far the most unrealistic element the fighter game.

pygote... didn't you quit forever?  again?

lazs

[Kieran]

Lazs-

Yup, read an account by Stanford Tuck where he lead a flight of Hurricanes into a mass LW raid- He-111's, Dorniers, Me-109's and Me-110's. They were climbing up the tailpipes of the bombers and knew they were sitting ducks. Those guys were fighting for God and country, and knew what their lives meant balanced against the destruction to their country and way of life.

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Kieran ]

[Pyemia]

Well if Standford Tuck survived to tell the tale then it wasn't a certain death scenario was it.

I'm talking about 1 F4U-1 engaging 10 enemy like lazs imagines he does.  Unrealistic.  Oh yeah and then after amazingly winning the engagement, augering and dying because they were too bored to fly home.

As for the russians, it was do or die anyway.  I suppose they figured they had more chance in the air against the hordes then they did with Stalins secret police.  I think theyy were right btw.

Japaneze kamikazes - indivuduals indoctrinated and brainwashed from the age of 10 years will do anything their masters tell them.  Do you actually believe the "they were volunteers" propaganda crap that came out after the war.

Use your brain Keiran.  Not sure what I can suggest for old Lazs thou, maybe use someone elses brain?

Doh


Zygote

[AKSWulfe]

The Thach Weave was used by Thach himself against a force of zeros greatly outnumbering himself.

I assume you don't read, or you choose not to, but I suggest you pick up the books "Aces Against Germany" and "Aces Against Japan" by Eric Hammel. For every account I read of pilot's outnumbering the enemy force, I read 3 more of pilot's diving into greatly outnumbered odds.
-SW

[lazs1]

aces against japan will provide pyegote with plenty of acounts of outnumbered F4F's, p40's and F4U's attacking large numbers of zekes, surviving and then ditching because they were shot up, lost or out of fuel.  

pygote doesn't have a clue about courage or WWII air combat.
lazs