Governer of Illinois commutes death sentances...

[Preon1]

Originally posted by Karnak
No, I mean more basic stuff like prefering to let guilty people go free in preference to depriving any innocent person of their freedom.

Conservatives in the US have moved on to a more Cromwellian method of thought: Kill them all and let God sort them out.

That's not the problem.  This guy was a coward and set these people free on his way out.  If he had really believed in this concept, he would have made that move the first day he took office.

Sure killing innocent people is a terrible thing, but that doesn't mean that you go and put a moratorium on ALL capital punishment.

[Ping]

What is the time length on this moratorium?

[midnight Target]

Ijits


The Governor was and still is a proponent of the death penalty. The systm in Illinois is horribly broken, and too many innocent people have been placed on death row. He did the right thing. He didn't have time left in office to "look at each case", and he couldn't trust his successor to do it.


WTG Gov.

[AKDejaVu]

Moratorium?  I dunno if that is necessarily what it is.

I heard on the radio today that Illinois has recently found 17 people to be innocent of the crimes they were sentanced to death for.  The Governer actually makes quite a bit of sense when he admits that the system was too flawed when these individuals were sentanced to fairly decide on each and every individual criminal on death row... so they cleared it out.

It seems that Illinois may be required to be the trend setters for a better system when it comes to the death penalty.  Until people realize that politics and convictions should not be co-supportive, this will continue to be a problem.

AKDejaVu

[Ping]

M T , hope that ijit wasnt directed at me  I have said the same thing as you.
 Just askin how long the moratorium is. I have stated that Ryan has now forced the issue of reform.

[Curval]

Originally posted by texace
Once proven guilty

Beyond reasonable doubt or beyond a doubt.

This is this heart of the issue.

DNA evidence and finger print evidence must be reviewed before executing any more death row inmates.

(I thought we did this subject already   )

[Preon1]

I forget the name of the new Ill Gov, but I heard on the radio this morning that he said one of the first things he's going to do upon entering office is to end the moratorium on capital punishment.

I wasn't aware of the full facts, if 17 people out of like 160 or so were innocent than I'd have to agree with the decision to release them all.  However, I would attach that decision to strong actions to fix the system that put those 17 people there in the first place.

[Gunthr]

He killed over 30 boys and young men.

A past alumnus of death row in Illinois...

[Eagler]

You don't just release them ie change their sentence .. that is what appeals are for

if the system was SO screwed up, then the lawyers would have had a field day representing the clients while raking in your tax dollars doing so

this guy did it for the headlines and to divert attention away from his other troubles

[Eagler]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Ijits .... He didn't have time left in office to "look at each case", and he couldn't trust his successor to do it.


WTG Gov.

hmm

what has he been doing since Nov 2001??

http://www.dailyillini.com/nov01/nov26/news/stories/news_story05.shtml

[TWOLF]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Ijits


The Governor was and still is a proponent of the death penalty. The systm in Illinois is horribly broken, and too many innocent people have been placed on death row. He did the right thing. He didn't have time left in office to "look at each case", and he couldn't trust his successor to do it.


WTG Gov.

 
  I don't know what you based this post on.  But as a resident of Illinois and a person that has been following this issue, I can say with complete confidence that you don't know the facts here.
 
  The Illinois Death Row problem that has been brought up reflected a small minority of offenders.  True that those few were tragic mis-uses of justice, however the majority of the offenders that Ryan granted clemency Are guilty with Overwhelming evidence to include DNA confirmation of their crimes.  Why should any Taxpayer be forced to feed, cloth and maintain a shelter for these Insects? There are certain crimes that should carry swift and permanent punishment.  These people should not be breathing, and Ryan has abused his power and forced them on Illinois Taxpayer's for the remainder of their lives. I am not a big fan of Blegojwich (spelling?) but he would have to try very hard to equal Ryan's Corruption, and mis-use of power.

[lord dolf vader]

have a system where every one involved for the prosecution loses their job for a year the first time they convict a inocent man.


or gets taken out back an shot. now that would make um carful.

[Eagler]

here's a couple of lovely's now set to live out their existence on your nickel:

Henry Brisbon is known in criminal justice circles as the "I-57 Killer" for a series of slayings in 1973 along Interstate 57 south of Chicago, including ordering one engaged couple to "kiss their last kiss" while he shot them to death alongside the highway.

Jacqueline Williams is a woman so desperate to have people think she gave birth to a baby that she, her boyfriend and a friend killed a pregnant woman and cut her full-term fetus from her womb.

 Leonard Kidd, who caused a 1980 fire in Chicago that killed 10 children

Anthony Enis, who raped a nurse in 1987 and killed her four months later to keep her from testifying against him

Jeffrey Rissley, who kidnapped and killed a 6-year-old girl in 1991, disposing of her body in Michigan.

Daniel Edwards, who is on death row for the abduction-murder of Steve Small. Small, the publisher of the Kankakee Journal, was lured to the garage of a home he was renovating, stuffed into the trunk of a car and then buried alive. He died before police could find him.
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and he had since 2000 to work on this, instead a just throws out a last minute clinton-style pardon and walks away from it ....

sleep well gov ryan

[TWOLF]

"and he had since 2000 to work on this, instead a just throws out a last minute clinton-style pardon and walks away from it ...."

 
Please stay off my side.  Clinton did nothing more or less then Papa Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Ford, or Eisenhower.   Ryan is a Republican.  You should be sticking up for him.   Even if he did set free Murders, Rapists, and Child Molesters that we in Illinois are forced to support.  This is a clear example of the Hipocracy, and the dirty dealing that infests American Politics.  Ryan will do time I think.  Not for this although I think he deserve to.  He will do time for the money laundering and racketeering he has done.  This is only a Cheap and Low down attempt to divert attention from what will be a national trial of a State's Govenor.

[Eagler]

excuse meeee