Author Topic: When the Ki.84-I-Ko is added, should it be perked or free? (Read 812 times)

Karnak · « **on:** January 12, 2003, 08:26:14 PM »

Now, let me start off by saying that I know we don't have any control over that and it is entirely HTC's choice. I'm not thinking I'm part of making that decision, and I'm happy with that.

I just want to have a player discusion about this as I've seen many players stated that the Ki.84 would need to be a perk plane.

Is that really true?

Please respond with the specific reasons that you think it should, or should not, be perked. Don't just say "Yes" or "No", as that won't add to the discussion or give any new insights into the performance of the Ki.84.

Another point is that we need to assume that it will use Japanese data and Japanese fuel as do the Japanese aircraft already in AH.

As I understand the Ki.84-I-Ko's performance to be, it should look something like this:

Ki.84-I-Ko as Karnak understands it:

Deck Speed: 350-360mph

Max Speed: 392mph

Turn capability: About like a Spitfire Mk IX

Roll Rate: About middle of the road

Initial Climb Rate: 3,600 feet per minute

Acceleration: Better than the Spitfire Mk IX, worse than the La-7 in general

Stall Behavior: The Ki.84 is supposed to have a nasty and abrupt stall

Fuel Range: 1,050 miles

Armament: Two Ho-5 20mm cannon in the wings with 150 rounds each and two Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns in the fuselage with 350 rounds each. Essentially the same gun package as the Ki.61-I-KAIc that we already have in AH, except for more ammo and reversed cannon and machine gun mounting positions.

Ordinace: Two 250kg bombs

Based on that understanding of the Ki.84's performance, and the fact that 3,514 were built and it entered service before the P-51D, I just don't see it as needing to be perked. It also wasn't the most common aircraft in WarBirds back when I flew in WarBirds, and that was also Pyro's flight model.

I do think that it will be a very common fighter in AH, probably in the top five, if not the top three, but I don't think it needs perking anymore than the P-51D, Spitfire Mk IX, La-7, N1K2-J or Typhoon Mk Ib do.

What do the rest of you think? Why should it be perked or free? If you think it should be perked, how much should it be perked?

Sandman · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2003, 08:43:43 PM »

I think the entire perk system needs to be re-visited.

The current strat system isn't the same one that forced the perking of F4U-1C and the TA-152 is perked for HTC knows what reason.

If the Frank is not perked, it will be. There will be a great whining.

J_A_B · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2003, 11:48:34 PM »

I fail to see why people expect the Ki-84 to be some sort of superplane. I think that such people have an imprsssion of the plane based on the US test data which is unlikely to appear in AH.

Perk the Ki-84 as it performed for the Japanese (likely how it'll be modeled)? I think not!

It'll be a great fit for the current MA. HTC should add it ASAP.

J_A_B

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2003, 12:19:12 AM »

Sandman,

Why should it be perked? What puts it into that category?

Sandman · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2003, 01:04:19 AM »

You're asking the wrong guy, Karnak. I haven't a clue.

I just think that there will be a lot of whining about the Frank and a lot of whining has lead to perks in the past.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2003, 01:13:11 AM »

I wonder where you'd foresee whining? Does it turn as well as the N1K2? Does it turn as well as the Ki-61? Does it outgun either?

AKDejaVu

Kweassa · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2003, 01:13:45 AM »

If the Ki-84-Ia is perked

than so should the Bf109G-10, Fw190D-9, La-7, P-51D, Typhoon Ib, N1K2-J be perked.

Sandman · « **Reply #7 on:** January 13, 2003, 01:27:55 AM »

Oh... you expected a logical argument?

There is no logic when it comes to whines. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #8 on:** January 13, 2003, 01:34:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
If the Ki-84-Ia is perked

than so should the Bf109G-10, Fw190D-9, La-7, P-51D, Typhoon Ib, N1K2-J be perked.

So.. kweassa... since you seem to be getting at something other than just asking an honest question... let me paraphrase what I'm reading into this:

HTC! DON'T PERK THE Ki-84!

Am I reading too much into it?

If that's what you are actually trying to get at, you may want to look back on the Ta-152 threads and see that the exact same thing was said there. This won't help if Pyro sees fit to perk it.

Also, someone forecasting that the community will whine about the Ki-84 uberness after its released does not sink with the "its not that uber".

AKDejaVu

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2003, 03:02:09 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Also, someone forecasting that the community will whine about the Ki-84 uberness after its released does not sink with the "its not that uber".

Of course the communtiy will whine about it. This community whines about everything.

GPreddy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 13, 2003, 03:42:43 AM »

The introduction of the ki84 will probably initiate some uneasiness in a lot of fliers until they get used to seeing them in the game. I dont think the ki84 will be that great at odds with other planes in the arena and thus will not need to be perked. Who knows though it may connect with a large range of pilots and may require examination. Only its presence will allow that to be judged and last I heard the ki84 was still down the road.

Mitsu · « **Reply #11 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:17:44 AM »

it shouldn't be perked.
see n1k2 la-7 p-51d bf109g10.

aztec · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:25:58 AM »

I agree with Sandman in that we could use a revamping of the perk system. For example we have an aircraft (F4U-1C) that was proven to dominate the arena, while planes such as the Spit 14 and TA-152 are perked for roughly ten times that amount without any proof as to wether or not they would have the same impact as the C-Hog did when unperked. I'm not saying that they should be unperked but surely the prices are out of line.

And no, I don't think a KI-84 should be perked.

Vermillion · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:42:23 AM »

Perked?

Absolutely not.

Kweassa · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2003, 07:42:32 AM »

It's a single sentence.

"If the Ki-84-Ia is perked than so should the Bf109G-10, Fw190D-9, La-7, P-51D, Typhoon Ib, N1K2-J be perked."

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Isn't it pretty much self explanatory?

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ps) Many people claim many different agenda on the perk system.. some say balance issues, some say performance, some say production numbers and rarity...

What EXACTLY IS the perk agenda in AH?