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When the Ki.84-I-Ko is added, should it be perked or free?
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2003, 07:50:33 AM »
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What EXACTLY IS the perk agenda in AH? :confused:


What HTC want it to be :)
They dispose of the perk system at their will

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2003, 07:50:34 AM »
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I agree with Sandman in that we could use a revamping of the perk system. For example we have an aircraft (F4U-1C) that was proven to dominate the arena, while planes such as the Spit 14 and TA-152 are perked for roughly ten times that amount without any proof as to wether or not they would have the same impact as the C-Hog did when unperked. I'm not saying that they should be unperked but surely the prices are out of line.
Sigh... this is one of the most fundamentally flawed arguments I've seen.

Is the Spit IX one of the most popular rides in the arena?  Is the Spit XIV better?  What does that indicate about how it would be used?  Same for the Tempest.  The Ta-152 is a bit closer of a decision... I almost wish that HTC would unperk it just to give you a taste of what happens when you unperk a plane that was rightly perked.

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2003, 09:45:46 AM »
Well Deja, if you would read it again I didn't say unperk anything, I simply don't understand the huge difference in price. However I suppose you have the right to skew my meaning any way you wish.

How hard would it have been to voice your opinion without the condescending know it all attitude?
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2003, 09:49:05 AM »
What makes you think a KI84 is soon to be released?  This thread alone is a good argument to not release it :)

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Re: When the Ki.84-I-Ko is added, should it be perked or free?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2003, 10:48:53 AM »
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At what g will we pull the wings off..........:p
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2003, 11:01:12 AM »
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I think the entire perk system needs to be re-visited.

The current strat system isn't the same one that forced the perking of F4U-1C and the TA-152 is perked for HTC knows what reason.

If the Frank is not perked, it will be. There will be a great whining.


I think the reason the C-hog was perked was because it combined rockets, bombs, and cannons into an awesome base-attack aircraft.  The Typhoon hasn't been perked because it lacks the bombload capacity that the C-hog has.  The P-47 hasn't been perked because other aircraft can catch it and kill it (LA-7, P-51, Corsair, Typhoon).

I'd rather have a perked Ki-87 than none at all.  It can always be unperked for CT and TOD duty.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2003, 12:14:19 PM »
naw, it doesn't need to be perked.  it's like the Japanese Spit IX.   And it'll have Ki-84 as it's tag, so it'll have a "you need to take care of me soon" sign on it.

The Tempest, 163 and 262 are priced about right.

the 152 should be about 5 points, and the Spit XIV and F4U-4 should be 10-15 points.

unless you remove the perk tags (call the XIV just SPIT and the -4 just F4U)  then I'd say 20-30 points for them.  As it is, you fly a Spit XIV anywhere, and just about everyone with a red icon will come after you, regardless of their own safety.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2003, 01:36:02 PM »
From the numbers presented it doenst seem to be perk material.
There where 4 20mm versions I believe as well.
But Gpreddy got it. If some strange dynamic of its capabilities really attracts alot of attention..then it might be hogC perked..But are we sure of your numbers?

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2003, 02:54:10 PM »
I have no knowledge whatsoever about the IJN rides... but from the stats you've posted, I don't think it needs to be perked any more than some of the rides we already have.
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When the Ki.84-I-Ko is added, should it be perked or free?
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2003, 03:15:28 PM »
You can't discuss whether a future added aircraft should be perked or not unless we understand the criteria by which previous aircraft were perked.

As for the F4U-1C, it carries less rockets than the -1D and I'm pretty sure the P-47 is faster.

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2003, 05:34:27 PM »
The Chog is perked because it has a fantastic ammo load is a great gun platform and it is fast on the deck. Any aircraft can be beat and the chog is no exception. I think the perks spent on the Chog are really going toward hispano ammunition and not aircraft. I almost prefer the f4u4 but its too expensive. The dhog is what I use when the perks are good and chog when there are a lot of buffs about.

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2003, 05:56:16 PM »
Aztec.. the huge difference in price (don't think the Ta is that high anymore) is because of planes that were perked for performance.  Their sole existance there is because of performance.

The CHOG was not perked for performance.  It was perked for usage.  The perking was simply a means to curtail usage.  Nothing more... nothing less.  It had a tour where it accounted for over 30% of all MA kills.  That was excessive in anyone's book.  It is not a stellar performer and there are a more than a few planes that can both out-turn it and out-run it.  Just not many that can out-gun it.

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2003, 06:19:34 PM »
Thank you for the informative response Deja, I appreciate it.:cool:

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2003, 06:31:27 PM »
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Aztec.. . The perking was simply a means to curtail usage.  Nothing more... nothing less.  It had a tour where it accounted for over 30% of all MA kills.  That was excessive in anyone's book.  It is not a stellar performer and there are a more than a few planes that can both out-turn it and out-run it.  Just not many that can out-gun it.

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Good heavens, then perk the damn La-7 and Spits for cripes sake.

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2003, 06:35:32 PM »
It should be free of coarse!
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