When the Ki.84-I-Ko is added, should it be perked or free?

[Suave]

No I don't think it should be perked . But there will be perk the ki84 whinning, oh god yes . Consider the n1k2 whinning we've allready seen .

[JB42]

Not intended to be flame at Deja, but did you stop to think maybe the excesive usage of the CHog was due to its performance (in this case i believe the armament is the performance boost). Seeings there are two other non-perked variants of the F4-U, there had to be reason the C model was chosen most often.

If given th epower to to perk, i would perk variants of model that were specifically upgraded in regards to performance. For instance:

109E,109F and 109G-2 non-perked, 109G-6 and 109G10 perked accordingly.

190A-5 and 190F-8 non-perked, 190A-8,190D-9 and Ta152 perked accordingly.

Spit I, Spit V non-perked, Spit IX and Spit XIV perked accordingly

Hurr I, Hurr II non-perked, Hurr III perked accordingly

A6M2 non-perked, A6M5b perked accordingly

La5 non-perked, La7 perked accordingly.

well you get the hint. Before perking the N1k2 the N1K1 would have to be introduced. Getting back to the whole point of this post, yes the Ki-84 would be perked and the Ki-61 left unperked.

Im not talking 20 perks for a Spit IX, more like 5. The idea and challenge being you would have to earn the perks in the earlier models in order to "step up" to the better rides.


PS. P51-B nonperked, P51-D, perked accordingly. Ehhh, you get it now i think

[Kweassa]

This discussion rides on confusion, which concerns the question I asked earlier on.. so what is the perk agenda? Are the perks assigned according to:

 1) arena balance
 2) performance balance
 3) or, historical rarity??
 
 ....

 The C-Hog seems to be 1) (20~30% of kills), a bit of 2) (four Hispanos + carrier-craft + supreme JABO), and 3)...


 the Ta-152 seems to be nothing but teeney bit of 2) (supreme speed at supreme altitudes where nobody flies..), and 3)...
 
 Tempest would be a mix of 2) and 1)...

 What would the Ki-84 fall under then? 2) and 1)? ...

 But, the suggested performance data on the Ki-84 only seems to present to us that it is something like a bit faster accelerating Spitfire Mk9 or, a more maneuverable La-5FN... perhaps a Mix of a Spit9 maneuverability/top speed with La-5FN low-alt flight characteristics...?  

 Would that combination of performance be enough to make people choose the Ki-84 over everything else, and make it necessary of being a perk aircraft?? In this late-war MA environment where La-7s, Fw190D-9s, P-51Ds and Bf109G-10s roam??

 I really don't think so...

 We'll probably see them very often, but considering the rarity of Zeros(utterly incompetent as a fighter in the MA environment, if not rare..) and Ki-61s, it would probably be a result of fans devoted to Ki-84, or Japanese pilots who finally got their hands on a reasonably formiddable plane.. rather than something that has to do with initially great performance(as in the case of the Tempest)..  

 I'm willing to bet that with the Ki-84 introduced, a part of the Spitfire fans would shift to the Ki-84, some of the N1K2 loving folk would also go there...  but it won't in anyway need perks both performanc-wise, or balance-wise..

 ...

 Now, what JB42 suggests, I think, is an entirely different matter, perhaps, almost irrelevant to current discussion. It's about a totally different perk agenda.. almost..

 
ps) But I do agree along some of the lines JB42 suggests.

 I would like to see late-war aircrafts perked very lightly, (even more so than the C-hog... around 3~4 perks..).

 P-51D, P-47D-30, Bf109G-10, La-7, Yak-9U, N1K2-J, Fw190D-9, F4U-1D, Typhoon 1B...

 which would promote the use of each predecessors

 P-51B, P-47D-11 and D-25, Bf109G-2 and G-6, La-5FN, Yak-9T, Ki-61, Fw190A-8 and A-5, F4U-1.. pushing the arena into a more "mid 1943~early 1944"-ish environment than now.

 ... but, this is for another discussion..

[Karnak]

I do agree that it is likely to pull quite a few Spitfire pilots away from the Spitfire.  Look at the armament, it is very similar.

I think it will also pull some of the N1K2 fliers (though some will go back to the N1K2 after they discover that they really prefer to have 900 rounds of 20mm ammo).

Some of the La-7 and P-51D drivers will probably switch, sacrificing some speed for better turn performance.  I would expect a far greater number of La-7 drivers to do this that P-51D drivers.


If perked it'll be a very rare aircraft as it doesn't have any of the performance numbers to escape and will have a nice KI84 icon (as it should) identifying it.  The performance numbers I'm talking about are speed and climb.  It can't run away (Me262A-1 and Tempest) and it can't climb away (Spitfire Mk XIV), so it would have to fight until victorious or dead.